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[guppy]

People with minis where are all the funky bonnet stripes and roof decals ?

 

[speedingorange]

:lol on mini #2 in my case

 

[Mustang5L5]

A tuned up 6.5 litre turbo, and it only gets to 600BHP? Even if that is at the wheels, it still looks like a whole lot of engine is sitting there not doing a lot. Don't get me wrong, that's a lot of BHP, but for the size of the engine it isn't. That's less than 100bhp per litre.

That's my one problem with American cars, they seem to get all caught up on ci and never get down to tuning the things properly. 600BHP fly is not that difficult from a 2 litre turbo. 1000BHP is possible at the wheels for a 2.6 litre twin turbo. All those huge great V8s should be able to put out vast BHP figures...but never seem to.

But that's the thing, HP doesn't really mean that much...it's the torque value that really makes the blood boil and gets the car moving. That 600HP camaro is probably putting down 700 ft-lbs of torque (or more). Try doing that with a 2-liter turbo

A lot of domestic production V8 engines are in the 300-400 ft-lb torque range. They are getting better with HP with 4.6 Mustangs with 300HP and 330 Torque (supercharged versions with 390HP/390 Torque). The new Shelby Gt500 due out in a couple weeks here is putting down 475HP with a 5.4L. The 5.7 Dodge Hemi V8's are putting down 345/345 and the 6.1 Hemi versions are about 425HP/440 TQ naturally aspirated. The Corvette comes with a 400HP 6.0L and a 500HP 7.0L Z06 version...all very docile and streetable engines.

Ok, so if 600HP on a turbo 6.5L doesn't impress you, how about 1000HP on a turbo 5.1L???

A friend of mine has a turboed '94 Mustang with 800HP at the wheels with a T76 turbo on a 310ci (5.1L)pushrod V8. It's making about 1000HP at the flywheel. Currently running high 9's in the quarter mile...with a suspension setup designed to turn and 14" brakes as well. Has functional A/C as well. Gonna see if i can dig the online version of mag coverage up

EDIT: Found it. Here's his car on the cover of the magazine and a link to the web version of the article. Just for info, "Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords" is the most popular late model Mustang magazine in the US.

http/www.musclemustangfastfords.com/feat..._060200_street/

Doesn't look like 1000HP does it?


As a wise man once said "Horsepower wins trophies, Torque wins races" - Carol Shelby

 

[Samage]

Here's mine, a home-restored 1972 VW Beetle/Bug 1300. Not so much a car, as a way of life!

I also have another project on the go at the moment, a 1974 VW K70. A rare car, one of 20 thought to survive in the UK, dragged out of a scrapyard! Pics to come soon.

 

[Native American]

A tuned up 6.5 litre turbo, and it only gets to 600BHP? Even if that is at the wheels, it still looks like a whole lot of engine is sitting there not doing a lot. Don't get me wrong, that's a lot of BHP, but for the size of the engine it isn't. That's less than 100bhp per litre.

That's my one problem with American cars, they seem to get all caught up on ci and never get down to tuning the things properly. 600BHP fly is not that difficult from a 2 litre turbo. 1000BHP is possible at the wheels for a 2.6 litre twin turbo. All those huge great V8s should be able to put out vast BHP figures...but never seem to.

Have to side with andy on this one...but not all the way. Yes, I'm still amazed at how long we Americans are taking to catch up in advancements that give more bhp vs. displacement. I've been able to drive a bit all over the world, and it amazes me how much usable bhp the foreign labels attain (esp BMW & Mercedez-Benz) from such small engines. BMW, model for model, is still the leader in sheer horses per unit displacement. They have a small amount of engine that is doing a whole lot of something. Their specific hp numbers are incredible (that is, power generated per unit weight of engine, or per unit amount of fuel burned, or unit displacement...depends on the comparison mode du jour).

However, building a map of torque vs. the rpm it is achieved at, and getting the total usable horsepower under that curve is important. Compared cubic inch per cubic inch, the foreign jobs really kill the American makes in this regard because their engine management systems (Bosch started a revolution w/ Motronics)and attention to volumetric efficiency where it is needed (i.e, Honda VTEC, for example) are so much better...but it's hard to beat a BIG U.S. engine with lots of cubes for overall top numbers. I drove a Porsche 914 where the owner had swapped the 1.7L flat four for a small block Chevy (my next project, time permitting). Nothing special, just a split plane manifold, Holley double pumper, MSD ignition...still, it was like pulling the trigger on a gun and riding the bullet. The low profile oil pan enabled proper engine placement and retained a low CG.

Best of both worlds...European chassis, big American engine. Porsche purists may call be deranged, but I'll do that engine swap with no regrets. Still, I had to wonder what a German, British or Japanese engine of the same displacement would have done...probably much, much better, but probably at a much higher cost as well.

I guess in the end, it's all the same...horses cost money, no matter how you get them.

v/r, N-A

 

[andywg]

Ok, so if 600HP on a turbo 6.5L doesn't impress you, how about 1000HP on a turbo 5.1L???

Not bad, though I'm more impressed by around 1,500BHP from a 2.6l twin turbo, that can clock the 1/4 in 7.95 at 181 mph.

http/youtube.com/watch?v=iq0o4nyEOWo&search=skyline



I looked, but couldn't find this time the article from a New Zealand site where a japanese skyline is tuned to 1000BHP at the wheels. They estimeated around 1300BHP at the fly, but the Japanese tuners were just like "who cares the about the fly? it's what hits the road that counts". Can't remember the torque off the top of my head, but I think this one clocked around 13.2 seconds for the 0-180 mph sprint.

What impresses me more though, is the ability to go around corners as well as be fast, and on that one the Americans really are behind. With the exception of the newest stang and viper, I can't think of much from over the pond that likes it when the track has a turn in it. That's why I have such respect for the skyline. Though the track ones rarely get tuned much past the 600-800 BHP as most tracks just don't have the room for that much horses

 

[speedingorange]

how about 160bhp from a KAD 1380cc mini engine that was desinged well over 50 years ago.

freind of mines car absolutely amazing.

http/video.google.com/videoplay?docid=11...5&q=kad&pl=true

 

[monte]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

It's not a genuine S I wish it was! However... It's packed full with genuine works items - full dash, speedo, cage, seats etc etc. It's a stage 3 1330.

I've got another mini too but it's a sleeper project so doesn't look anything special.

I might check out miniresource speedingorange. I'm on minifinity most of the time Pop over if you wanna

Nice bug Samage. I love VWs, which is apparantly weird for a mini fan. I hope to be getting an early 60s split soon

 

[Grim Reaper]

my mates new ex nismo Skyline R-34 demo car fresh from Japan

i know that car
600 BHP monster

here are the specs

HKS GT2510 TURBINE x 2
TOMEI metal gasket
TOMEI IN/EX 270¡ëHI-CAM shaft
cylinder modified
HKS outlet piping
TRUST suction piping KIT
AIR INX air cleaner
HKS front pipe
FUJITSUBO titanium big exhaust pipe
NISMO 3 layer inter cooler
HKS inter cooler piping
NISMO up rate fuel pump
NISMO 600cc injector
NISMO fuel regulator
R's 16 oil cooler
NISMO G-MAX twin plate clutch
CS quick shift kit
ZEEL function-B
NISMO full body kit
NISMO GT-LM4 18 inch AW
NISMO front & side clear lens
HKS EVC­·boost controller
HKS turbo timer
GOING TOKYO CPU
NISMO air flow meter
ARC cooling titanium panel
ARC oil catch tank
DI firing system
SABELT seat belts

 

[speedingorange]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

It's not a genuine S I wish it was! However... It's packed full with genuine works items - full dash, speedo, cage, seats etc etc. It's a stage 3 1330.

I've got another mini too but it's a sleeper project so doesn't look anything special.

I might check out miniresource speedingorange. I'm on minifinity most of the time Pop over if you wanna

Nice bug Samage. I love VWs, which is apparantly weird for a mini fan. I hope to be getting an early 60s split soon

ahaaaa your a minifinity man

yeah im a member but dont browse it much the colour scheme tends to mess with my head....

saying that the MR one is orange when you first join... luckily can be changed in the board settings

even though its not a genuin s.... you should be proud

 

[ktlfc]

This isnt my car but mine looks just the same (same age too) and has the same spec etc...

MX-5 City

My other car is a M-reg Rover 214SLi... Bring on the sun I want to drive topless!!!!

 

[Grim Reaper]

my honda civic show car,been in car mags an used to advertised car events an show,show and shine trophy winner

shows us what u running under the hood

 

[Tropical_fish_01]

Nissan Xterra here

 

[CoolWater]

Mine in exactly 12 months.
Not as flash as some of yours, but a 17 year old doesn't have to much extra cash to fling around.

And hey, when a car gets offered to you for free, how could i turn down the offer!?

You mark my words, turquoise will be the next 'in colour' this time next year

 

[Mustang5L5]

I looked, but couldn't find this time the article from a New Zealand site where a japanese skyline is tuned to 1000BHP at the wheels. They estimeated around 1300BHP at the fly, but the Japanese tuners were just like "who cares the about the fly? it's what hits the road that counts". Can't remember the torque off the top of my head, but I think this one clocked around 13.2 seconds for the 0-180 mph sprint.

What impresses me more though, is the ability to go around corners as well as be fast, and on that one the Americans really are behind. With the exception of the newest stang and viper, I can't think of much from over the pond that likes it when the track has a turn in it. That's why I have such respect for the skyline. Though the track ones rarely get tuned much past the 600-800 BHP as most tracks just don't have the room for that much horses

Skylines are awesome, but we just don't have them here unless you count a few rare garage queens that the owners all claim make 600HP+ but never leaves the shop or hits the dragstrip. Parts are so expensive that replacing broken parts can add up quick.

My friend's 1000HP Mustang is actually streetable. He drives it to cruises and 100-mile roadtrips with other members in my clubs. In the article it showed some pics of him driving it through NYC traffic with the A/C on and radio on. Of course it's a loud machine, but he takes it to work as if a "normal" car...one with 1000HP no less.

Anyway you are right with the regards that American cara have been behind on the handling aspect until lately. Having driven the new Mustangs, Corvettes, Z06's, Vipers, GTO's, Chargers and other modern "Muscle" cars they really have come a long way and are even competive in pro racing series pairing them up against Porsche's, M3's, Audi's, Ferrari's, NSX and other makes. Last race i watched had the new body (05+) coming in 1st and 2nd ahead of a 911 and M3. They had modified engines with about 450HP but suspension wise they were relatively stock save for different shocks and a front brake upgrade.

Fast imports aren't all that common here. We do have the Sti's and Evo's that are fast, along with the Domestic Neon SRT-4's which are pretty damn quick as well. For the most part the street scene consists of mostly show and no go here...so cruising around on a friday night you just never really pull up to anything fast unless it has a V8 engine. Everyone just has the same ole Honda with a body kit it seems