High Nitrates + White Poo

[gzylo]

Hello


I have problem with white poo from 2 days now, i was not sure whether is natural but now fish is hiding and simply does not look happy, other fishes are not so keen on beef hart as usually and i`m getting worried. I have just tested my water and it looks like that

ph - 7
no2 - 0
no3 - 40 !!!!
tank temp is 29-30c

i`m doing 40% wter change every 2 days my tap water no3 is around 20

its 300l heavily planted tank filtered wirh fluval 405 and its old around 6 months now, with 5 discus, 15 cardinal tetra, 4 corys, 1 nannacara, 1 appistogramma, 2 angelfish. there are no decaying plants.

fish are fed 3 time a day on jbl granno mix in the morning and afternoon and beefheart or brine shrimp and krill in the evening there is no left over food in the tank as they are feed what they eat I mean whey are dosed in small portions so its being eaten all and then another portion - 2 portions/feed


I`m thinking of doing 50% water chenge today and for 3 days after. and i`m pllanning to add interpret 9 (anti internal bacteria)
I fertilise tank with ferropol 24h - 3drops/24h + pps-pro (dry ferts) 6.5ml micro and macro.

Could anyone have opinion on that as i do not wish to do mistake myself and would like 2nd or more opinions on that


Is it bacterial infection or parasite?

what to do?

Could anyone please advise.

Regards
gzylo

 

[RadaR]

Don't know about the white poo, but nitrate level of 40ppm is fine mate. Don't worry about it. Places in London have that coming out of the tap. Your plants will be loving the nitrates. The fish wont be harmed at all.

 

[fry_forever!]

The white poo could be an internal parasite. If the anti-bacterial med doesn't work, I'd treat with an anti-parasitical medicated food.

I wouldn't worry about the nitrates that much though. Like RadaR said, your plants will be loving it. Oh, and BTW, I read in my aquarium keeping magazine that someone had their nitrates at 100ppm, and their fish were perfectly fine. (Though obviously not recommended! )

Good luck!

 

[gzylo]

Thanks

I have treated with Kusuri wormer and now i am waiting on effect, see how it goes hopefully ok

i`m considering,Hexamita, Velvet, and Flukes too as well as noticed that fish are starting to rub against object.


tomorrow evening i will do 50% water change


thanks

 

[loraxchick]

if it is velvet turn the tank lights out in and shine a flashlight on the fish. you would see gold dusting on the fish.
good luck with the dewormer.
do all the fish have stringy poo? or just one? are the ones flicking having stringy white poo?
flukes you will see attached to the fish. so look closely.
i agree not to worry about the nitrates.
good luck

 

[gzylo]

Hi

No 2 discus and appistogramma are flicking and no white poo, its not constant maybe once every so often but it worries me.

I will try doing test on velvet, i just cannot understand where all its coming from ;/, no plant fish introduction, regular water changes - whats wrong!


p.s i`m not sure what to look for with flashlight two of afected discus are orange , ic hecked other fish and there is something rusty gold reflection but its so minimal i cannot judge whether is velvet especially as i never had I before.

i forgot to mention that fish with white poo has lost appetite


any suggestions?


gzylo

 

[BettaChick14]

Hi Gzylo!
White poo is a sign of intestinal flagellates. Treat with Metronidazole -or- Paracide-D.
PS: Your Nitrates are fine!

 

[gzylo]

can i get that in ordinary lfs in uk?


Regards

 

[fry_forever!]

Yeah, most likely. You can probably get a medicated food. All of them contain almost the same meds.
I live in Canada, so I had to get someone who was visiting the States to get me some.

Good luck!

 

[gzylo]

Hi,
food will not work as they do not eat, i need something else.

is there anything else?


thanks
gzylo

 

[WILDER]

How many gallons is the tank.
Do you have ammonia reading.

Signs of internal parasites are
Long stringy white poo or clear mucas poo.
Enlarged anus or red inflamed anus.
Fish will look skinny or bloated.
Worms prutruding from the anus.
Fish will sometimes swim on its side.
Sunken in belly.
Bent spine sometimes.
Fish can flick and rub sometimes with internal parasites.

Did they start flicking with the med.
Any excess mucas, erratic swimming, darting, or laboured breathing.
Do the gills look red and inflamed.

Velvet will look like the fish has yellow spots, a sprinkling of gold dust, rusty coloured varnish.


Feed some peas.
Are you cutting the fat out of the beef heart.

 

[gzylo]

Hi Wilder and thank you!

300litres - 65.999 gallons - that's from google
temp 29-30c

Ammonia is 0 - 0.6 - its hard to determinate its not white but its not as yellow ish as 0.6 indicates - liquid test

symptoms are:
longs stringy white poo
one enlarged red anus
one bloated none skinny
no worms looking for food.
no swimming on the side
no sunken belly
no bend spines
fish do flick

I have added some garlic juice yesterday and the flickering was intense. Now it seems to be stopped, will feed later on today and see.
There was darting week ago not now. there is laboured breathing and fish are nostalgic, hiding between plants and behind bogwood.

Gills looks like inflamed and red on the bottom. - the tank is aerated 24/7 now

I have tried peas but fishes are not eating at all (infected ones) they seems to not have interest in food.
In the beef hart mix there's in only red meat from heart no white fat or veins + garlic + prawns + spinach

Vlevet: no yellow spots two affected fish are yellow discus cannot see on them, on the other ones no dusting/varnish

thanks Wilder

 

[WILDER]

What test kit are you using.

Red inflamed gills can be bad water quality, gill flukes, bacterial gillrot.

It sounds like gill flukes but need an accurate ammonia reading to make sure its not bad water quality.

Signs of gill flukes are.
Flicking and rubbing.
Darting or erratic swimming.
Fish will swim in a jerky movement.
Gasping or laboured breathing.
Excess slime with opaque body.
Red inflamed gills, or gills look like there bleeding.
Spitting food out.
Sores on body of fish, or tiny red pin prick marks.
Also flukes cause bacterial infections.
Fish can also get internal flukes.

Gill Flukes



Symptoms:

Fish with gill flukes have gills that may appear red and inflamed, bleeding or slimy. Excess mucous or puss may exude from the gills. Sick fish can be observed gasping for air near the surface. This disease is most common in younger fish and fry, who are more susceptible to the parasite.



Cause:

The monogenetic fluke Dactylogyrus, which destroys gill tissue and damages blood vessels in this region.



Treatment:

Treat with Clout, Fluke Tabs, Paraform, Trifon, Paragon, Quick Cure, Formalin, orParasite Guard. Gill flukes are highly contagious, therefore, all fish in the same aquarium should be treated.

 

[gzylo]

Hi Wilder and thanks

Its Nutrafin Test

the chart on it is

0
0.6
1.2
2.4
4.9
7.3

my test showed between 0 and 0.6

I have kisuri wormer will that work?


Thanks

 

[WILDER]

is it a liquid test kit.
I would make sure its not bad water quality.

If you think its gill flukes you will have to treat with the wormer plus once a week for four weeks.
You have to kill the young ones as they hatch.
You will also need to back up with anti internal bacteria med by interpet.
You can use bacterial meds with wormer plus.