Coronavirus...post your thoughts here...

[Colin_T]

Pretty worried, but at least we have available treatment

what sort of treatments do you have?

how did they catch it a second time?
I'm assuming it's the omicron strain this time?

 

[JuiceBox52]

what sort of treatments do you have?

how did they catch it a second time?
I'm assuming it's the omicron strain this time?

Its controversial so I'd rather not go into it on the thread, but I can pm you?

 

[Colin_T]

i dont look at pms

 

[JuiceBox52]

i dont look at pms

Do you have like a million notifications on the conversation section then? Lol

 

[Caesar]

It's interesting seeing the sudden mass of new variants. Ihu, Deltacron, and Flurona.

I'm guessing it'll be likely that we'll see at least one significant global lockdown again with Omicron already stocking the flames of tighter restrictions. Curious how the economy will handle it.

 

[Colin_T]

Do you have like a million notifications on the conversation section then? Lol

pretty close to it, yeah

 

[WhistlingBadger]

Well, sign me up for the club. I started getting a scratchy throat Thursday night, and tested positive this morning. I'm legit sick. Feels like the flu: Congested, cough, even more weak and light-headed than usual. Breathing OK, so I think I'm gonna make it.

 

[GaryE]

My elderly Uncle, who is 87 and really frail, caught Omicron about 2 weeks ago. He needed oxygen in the first wave, and was touch and go for a bit. This time, double vaxxed and with a booster, he had one day of fever and is now fine. This man has beaten cancer three times and makes a sparrow look like a wrestler. So hang in there if you are vaxxed and test positive.

Take care of yourself, Whistling Badger. A couple of days of Wheezing Badger and you should be good!

 

[WhistlingBadger]

My elderly Uncle, who is 87 and really frail, caught Omicron about 2 weeks ago. He needed oxygen in the first wave, and was touch and go for a bit. This time, double vaxxed and with a booster, he had one day of fever and is now fine. This man has beaten cancer three times and makes a sparrow look like a wrestler. So hang in there if you are vaxxed and test positive.

Take care of yourself, Whistling Badger. A couple of days of Wheezing Badger and you should be good!

Thanks, Gary. Glad your uncle pulled through OK. I've had all the shots I can get for covid, and I still caught it, but that's the way the chips fly, I guess. I'm in that annoying spot where I'm well enough to want to do things, but too weak to actually accomplish anything. I tried getting some work done in the shop last night and it wiped me out. I've been practicing the guitar and getting a lot of reading done. Feeling about as useful as a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest!

 

[itiwhetu]

pretty close to it, yeah

We all annoy @Colin_T all the time and there are only so many hours in a day. Is that right Colin.

 

[Colin_T]

Well covid19 is loose in Western Australia (WA). It started in December 2021 and the government ummed and ahhed and a few days later said mask time. Too little too later because it is now appearing all over the southern half of the state. And people aren't wearing masks anyway so it is off and racing.

The government is not telling us which strain it is but are saying they are all related to the original case, and they are relying on contact tracing but can't keep up with it. This would suggest it's the omicron strain because there are numerous cases in each town before they announce an area as a hot spot. And there are lots of hot spots now.

We are being told to get our third vaccine but it doesn't work against omicron. It does work on earlier strains but not omicron.

Topping it all off, overseas travellers are now allowed into WA without any special precautions as long as they come in through another capital city around the country. Every state in the country (except ours) has omicron going nuts and the WA government is letting people come in from overseas, go through an airport in a contaminated state, and then come into WA. Me thinks the WA state government is deliberately letting omicron spread throughout the state.

 

[GaryE]

It appears pretty solid that 2 jabs and a booster reduces symptoms. 50% of our hospitalizations come out of our 10% of unvaccinated people. On this round, I know a lot more people who have caught it, but only one person I know has died from it, unlike in earlier waves. People get a really nasty flu-like illness.

The person I know who passed away this round was a lovely elderly woman who caught it at a family xmas dinner - a tragedy all around for the family.

The province I'll live in in 2 weeks had serious measures that allowed them to dodge the worst of the early waves - it was barely a problem. Now though, it sounds like your situation as people got cocky about their safety and that gave the virus openings. The hospitals are full and they're experiencing the kind of losses we did earlier. This has been a tough and fundamentally sad couple of years.

 

[outofwater]

Is it a real disease? Yes.

Overblown for a virus with over 99% recovery/survival rate from the onset. Useless masks arbitrarily recommended or discarded as useless, but nonetheless forced on people to gage docility in face of the unknown and to place government as the all knowing, all powerful provider of anything and everything.

Experimental shots which are not vaccines, unless one accepts the "updated" meaning of the word, forced under penalty of losing one's ability to provide for himself and his family, forced on kids in several jurisdictions, with no real knowledge of short and long term side effects, and a clear inclination to hide whatever information IS available, plus manufacturers fully exempt of any and all liabilities.

Life-altering experience for kids who see it as normal to live literally muzzled and in constant fear of human contact.

2 weeks to slow the spread. Yes, 2 years later and endless moving of the goalpost.

Arbitrary "rules" constantly ignored and broken by the "elite" and an economic disaster for all areas and businesses, except of course those "too big to fail" and those that somehow suddenly became "essential" like strip clubs or liquor stores.

Do I know people who had it? Yes. Have I been exposed to it? Yes, and I must have had it sometime last year, after I was forced to take a test and decided to that a blood one. I tested positive for antibodies. Never noticed being sick. Work in a small office where out of the staff of 6, I'm the only one who refuses the shot and in the past 3 weeks 3 of them have had it, AFTER they all had received their shot and booster. Know of a few relatively young, fit and healthy people who got it and died, and know of MANY old and/or sick people who got it and survived it like they would a common cold.

People being removed from organ transplant waiting lists, being denied care based on race, being told to either get the shot or lose their jobs, being denied the God given right to make decisions for their kids and giving that authority to government lackeys.

My own personal grudge is that thanks to the manic response and lockdowns I could not travel to my country of birth in early 2020 to see my father who was sick at the time, and later died. I hold no hope of returning there for a while, if ever; as I found out that movement between provinces is limited to having a shot certificate, and my family lives far from the capital city, the only one with an international airport.

The unabashed loss of personal liberty and autonomy to make medical decisions willfully cheered on by so many, is astounding and depressing.

My personal worry is that soon the shot will be mandated for kids in my son's age group, and this will be the proverbial hill I die on, because from the start they admitted it doesn't affect kids as badly as the elderly, sick or immuno-compromised, yet they are already mandating it for those 12 and older and will soon move on to younger age brackets.

Once again and in closing: is it a real disease? Yes. But severely overblown and fear has proven yet again to be a very effective tool for the powers that be to encroach even more on personal affairs and to consolidate political and economic power.

Rant off.

 

[WhistlingBadger]

Is it a real disease? Yes.

Overblown for a virus with over 99% recovery/survival rate from the onset. Useless masks arbitrarily recommended or discarded as useless, but nonetheless forced on people to gage docility in face of the unknown and to place government as the all knowing, all powerful provider of anything and everything.

Experimental shots which are not vaccines, unless one accepts the "updated" meaning of the word, forced under penalty of losing one's ability to provide for himself and his family, forced on kids in several jurisdictions, with no real knowledge of short and long term side effects, and a clear inclination to hide whatever information IS available, plus manufacturers fully exempt of any and all liabilities.

Life-altering experience for kids who see it as normal to live literally muzzled and in constant fear of human contact.

2 weeks to slow the spread. Yes, 2 years later and endless moving of the goalpost.

Arbitrary "rules" constantly ignored and broken by the "elite" and an economic disaster for all areas and businesses, except of course those "too big to fail" and those that somehow suddenly became "essential" like strip clubs or liquor stores.

Do I know people who had it? Yes. Have I been exposed to it? Yes, and I must have had it sometime last year, after I was forced to take a test and decided to that a blood one. I tested positive for antibodies. Never noticed being sick. Work in a small office where out of the staff of 6, I'm the only one who refuses the shot and in the past 3 weeks 3 of them have had it, AFTER they all had received their shot and booster. Know of a few relatively young, fit and healthy people who got it and died, and know of MANY old and/or sick people who got it and survived it like they would a common cold.

People being removed from organ transplant waiting lists, being denied care based on race, being told to either get the shot or lose their jobs, being denied the God given right to make decisions for their kids and giving that authority to government lackeys.

My own personal grudge is that thanks to the manic response and lockdowns I could not travel to my country of birth in early 2020 to see my father who was sick at the time, and later died. I hold no hope of returning there for a while, if ever; as I found out that movement between provinces is limited to having a shot certificate, and my family lives far from the capital city, the only one with an international airport.

The unabashed loss of personal liberty and autonomy to make medical decisions willfully cheered on by so many, is astounding and depressing.

My personal worry is that soon the shot will be mandated for kids in my son's age group, and this will be the proverbial hill I die on, because from the start they admitted it doesn't affect kids as badly as the elderly, sick or immuno-compromised, yet they are already mandating it for those 12 and older and will soon move on to younger age brackets.

Once again and in closing: is it a real disease? Yes. But severely overblown and fear has proven yet again to be a very effective tool for the powers that be to encroach even more on personal affairs and to consolidate political and economic power.

Rant off.

I agree with a lot of this. The trouble is that we (and I include doctors and even the government in this) are all really just making semi-educated guesses with this stuff. I got the shots for myself and my family because a lot of people with "MD" after their names told me that was our best bet. Will we regret that later? I doubt it, but time will tell. It's a new disease, and we're really all just making our best guess. That's why it's even more important than usual to be open minded and kind with those who come to a different conclusion. I hear lots of people equating anti-vaccers with flat-earthers. That is ignorant and unfair. Same for people who equate pro-maskers with sheep. (none of this is pointed at anybody on the forum at the moment; just general observations) The science isn't totally in yet. We are all just doing our best. Unfortunately, it seems like the usual political opportunists are constantly trying to spin the data to their advantage. I'm not being political by saying that, because I see it happening on all sides of the issues. It's frustrating because the constant politicizing makes it hard for normal people like us to make good decisions.

Whenever I hear someone talking in absolutes regarding covid, my default response has become, "It probably isn't that simple." I respect outofwater's opinions. I also respect the opinions of those who wear the masks and get the shots and follow the ever-changing mandates and otherwise er on the side of playing it safe.

I'm somewhere in between, and I'm home sick. Well, down the hatch! You pays your money and you takes your chances. Life is good, as long as it lasts.

 

[outofwater]

I agree with a lot of this. The trouble is that we (and I include doctors and even the government in this) are all really just making semi-educated guesses with this stuff. I got the shots for myself and my family because a lot of people with "MD" after their names told me that was our best bet. Will we regret that later? I doubt it, but time will tell. It's a new disease, and we're really all just making our best guess. That's why it's even more important than usual to be open minded and kind with those who come to a different conclusion. I hear lots of people equating anti-vaccers with flat-earthers. That is ignorant and unfair. Same for people who equate pro-maskers with sheep. (none of this is pointed at anybody on the forum at the moment; just general observations) The science isn't totally in yet. We are all just doing our best. Unfortunately, it seems like the usual political opportunists are constantly trying to spin the data to their advantage. I'm not being political by saying that, because I see it happening on all sides of the issues. It's frustrating because the constant politicizing makes it hard for normal people like us to make good decisions.

Whenever I hear someone talking in absolutes regarding covid, my default response has become, "It probably isn't that simple." I respect outofwater's opinions. I also respect the opinions of those who wear the masks and get the shots and follow the ever-changing mandates and otherwise er on the side of playing it safe.

I'm somewhere in between, and I'm home sick. Well, down the hatch! You pays your money and you takes your chances. Life is good, as long as it lasts.

I fully agree with you. I don't berate anyone for wearing a mask or getting the shots. If that's their choice and was freely made, I'm happy for them to have said choice. I do feel awful for those who were put against the wall and coerced into getting it against their convictions or under threat of losing their livelihood, or worse, who experienced bad side effects. My entire immediate family got it, for convenience mostly as they were thinking of traveling and were sold into the "you'll go back to normal" lie.
Has it been politicized? Absolutely, perhaps the most politicized issue of our lifetime, and with damning consequences. My best wishes to you for a full recovery, thanks for open and thoughtful conversation, it is a rare commodity these days.

On to the fishies!!