20 Gallon Salt Water Set-Up

CUC= clean up crew
Ie. Snails, hermits, shrimp

Im a Newbie too, so from what i have read.

When you set up the tank, it should have a Nitrite spike then an Ammonia spike. This will cause diatoms (brown algea) which means you need to add your CUC (snails and hermits) they will eat most iof not all the algea, i think after a week or 2 they have been added in then you can slowly add in your fish. Marine shrimp are like Tropical shrimp, they need a mature tank. Corals also need a mature-ish tank.

And i have never come across fish attacking shrimp and snails, so they should be fine with what-ever fish stock you choose :)

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Wait for your tank to cycle. First you'll get an ammonia spike from the die back of creatures and bacteria in the live rock, that didn't survive being in transit. After the ammonia comes the nitrite. This too is toxic. Wait untill ammonia and nitrite are undetectable and only nitrate remains. Do a 50% water change to help kick the nitrates, then add your CUC of hermits, and snails. I'd leave the shrimp till later as they are pretty sensitive. Allow your hermits and snails to clean up the rocks and continute to monitor your water parameters.

If no ammonia or nitrite reappear, then you are ok to proceed with adding a shrimp and a couple of fish.

Remember its Ammonia --> Nitrite --> Nitrate
 
so basically heres my plan on doing this

today:buy all the equipment and set everyhting up
cycle
when everything is fine ill add the hermits
1 week later get first fish if things are good
wait 2 weeks then get next fish when things look good
wait 2 week then get last 2 fish when things are good
wait 3 weeks then get 2 shrimp if things are well
wait 3 weeks again and get mushrooms
if mushrooms thrive and things look good after a week, get another ETK coral (ETK=easy to keep)bubble coral?
if both corals are good and so is parameters for 2 weeks, get zoas
if everyone is fine get something a little bit harder to keep after 3 weeks
if everyone does well after a month get another moderate coral
when the tank is thriving after another month, get one HTK coral

is this fine?, by any chance can i lower the time gaps?
 
errg my dad only wants 1 clown which i think is sad, but here is the stocking

clown fish
tail spot blennie
fire-fish
orange lined-cardianl fish
 
bump

happy new years!
 
Yes, snails do lots more work than hermits do.
Otherwise, your schedule looks pretty good, you can bump adding the shrimp and mushrooms down a week. I know it's hard, but don't rush! Take your time. It's no fun adding everything at once anyways.

As for the fish, it's a good list. You're full though, so make sure you keep on doing regular water changes.
 
Yes, snails do lots more work than hermits do.
Otherwise, your schedule looks pretty good, you can bump adding the shrimp and mushrooms down a week. I know it's hard, but don't rush! Take your time. It's no fun adding everything at once anyways.

As for the fish, it's a good list. You're full though, so make sure you keep on doing regular water changes.


k thanks, and dont worry well be doing weekly-biweekly water changes along with constant filtr,skimmer,powerhead maintenence.

and you can see what we have so far in the tropical discussion forum!
 
ok, sorry but i need last few questions answered for my dad to stop rejecting the advice.

if all we had was 20lbs of live rock and sand with 50/50 lighting and a power head and a filter, how many water changes would we have to do? how many fish and inverts can we have?

what makes corals not survive besides lighting and flow? list the max ppm please

if we had everyhting in #1 plus macroalgae, how many water changes would we have to do? how many fish and inverts can we have?

if we had everything in #3 plus a protein skimmer, same questions.

is there any cheap ways to get rid of phosphates without the use of sumps, skimmers, or algae?

does live rock get rid of these compounds? ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,phosphate

what does live sand usually consist of?

if live rock is in a bag, is it still alive?

if live rock is in a bag with water, is it still alive?

why is an anemone not ideal for a 20 gallon tank?

is it true that if you had everything in number 1, you only had to change the water 2 times a month?
 
Before I answer, realize that everyone's tank is different. Someone may seem to have an identical set-up (including stocking) as yours yet they have to do more water changes to keep the nitrates down. A lot of it has to do with constant testing and experimenting until you figure out the best way to care for you tank. Part of why the first couple months of a new tank can be tough.


ok, sorry but i need last few questions answered for my dad to stop rejecting the advice.

if all we had was 20lbs of live rock and sand with 50/50 lighting and a power head and a filter, how many water changes would we have to do? how many fish and inverts can we have?

What kind of filter? A filter you would use for freshwater won't be too much help, as essentially the live rock is doing the same thing. When your tank first finishes cycling, I would do a 5G water change and then add your first livestock. After that, Test your water after a week and see what your levels are. You won't have too much of a bioload in there at that point, so you probably will be OK. At this point, figure do a water change every two weeks just so you get into the habit of doing it. Once you start adding fish, continue testing your water weekly or biweekly inorder to make sure your levels are staying OK. Go by this. The 4 fish you listed above are fine, but I would definitely not suggest anymore than that, that's already a bit full. Inverts do not take up a large bioload, so in that aspect you can have quite a few. A good rule of thumb is about 1 CUC member for every 1 gallon of water. Most of that will consist of snails.


what makes corals not survive besides lighting and flow? list the max ppm please

Lots of things. Most of which, you will not have to worry about. Keep your nitrate levels below 20ppm with corals, and keep your phosphates at 0ppm, salinity is usually ideal at around 1.024-1.025. If you get into hard corals eventually, you may to worry about calcium, but with softies, it usually isn't a problem.


if we had everyhting in #1 plus macroalgae, how many water changes would we have to do? how many fish and inverts can we have?

I can't predict how much the macroalgae will help kep your levels down, but regardless of whether you have it or not, the amount of inverts you have would stay the same and the amount of fish at 4.


if we had everything in #3 plus a protein skimmer, same questions.

I would consider a protein skimmer a necessity if you're going to have that many fish.


is there any cheap ways to get rid of phosphates without the use of sumps, skimmers, or algae?

The easiest way to use RO water, although not necessarily cheap.


does live rock get rid of these compounds? ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,phosphate

The main purpose of liverock is to have a place for the good bacteria in your tank to live. This bacteria helps to break down ammonia, nitrite, and natrates in your tank. Although as far as I know, it will do nothing for phosphates (someone agree/disgree on phosphate part?)


what does live sand usually consist of?

True live sand does mainly the same thing as your live rock would. It would contain the bacteria and probably some extra little creatures, like pods.


if live rock is in a bag, is it still alive?

if live rock is in a bag with water, is it still alive?

It depends. The longer the live rock is out of the water, the more that dies off of it. After a certain point, it can't really be considered "live" anymore.


why is an anemone not ideal for a 20 gallon tank?

Most anemones will grow to be about a foot in diameter or larger. That is almost/is bigger than your tank. You also plan on having corals. A large anemone + a small tank + corals = Possible death to the corals. Corals kept too close to an anemone may be stung and killed.


is it true that if you had everything in number 1, you only had to change the water 2 times a month?

Not sure what number one includes :p
Again, it depends. But it's certainly possible.
 
would a pair of clown fish and some shrimps,hermits and snails be an OK setup with out a protein skimmer but with the rock,sand,lighting,and power head(koralia 1 w/400gph) with corals?
 
ok then, cuz mt dad refused to get a protein skimmer due to cost, i even found one for 70$! he still didnt took it and he even refused when i offered to buy it.

here are the 2 most likely stockings

1
2 clowns
anemone (sorry,he really wants one and he has refused everything you have said so far)
shrimps
hermits
snails



2
2 clowns
corals
shrips
hermits
snails





im sorry for all the effort for nothing guys, however ill be sure to have this for when i start saltwater.
 
iknow but he might get one and i cant do **** about it.
 

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