20 Gallon Salt Water Set-Up

well.. todays the day i start the journals...

if you put already cured live rock in the tank its cycled right?

andthen i need those last 4 questions and the stocking and thats it! :hyper:

1. wo hoo - look forward to that
2. not always, it is all according how long the rock is out of water and if it is fully cured! Many lfs sell rock that they say is fully cured but in fact isn't! So you will need to test


Seffie x
 
with im assuming is a test kit right?


and can you guys do the stocking for me? it would be a better learning curve for me so if i plan on doing another one ill know what to do.

the journal is on tropical discussion btw, not much going on about the salt though, yet
 
where can i get macro algae?

i changed the christmas tree to either polyps. they are both somewhat easy right?

and what are macro algae's requirments?

is there a way i can sorta fence it off if fish start to nibble?

cured live rock is colorful right?

and the uncured is brown right?

how do you test? with a test kit?

and can you guys do the stocking for me? it would be a better learning curve for me so if i plan on doing another one ill know what to do.


these are the last questions ill be needing before i feel confident enough to start this, i dont just want to go with what the lfs is sayin and get ripped about the live rock

thanks for all the info so far! nearly convinced my dad.
 
where can i get macro algae?

I find eBay a good source for macro algae like chaetomorpha. Its probably the best algae for aborbing nitrates and phosphates. It grows quickly and doesn't go sexual and overrun your tank.

i changed the christmas tree to either polyps. they are both somewhat easy right?

Any of the corals I mentioned previously and a few others are good beginner corals. Mushrooms, xenia and leather corals are all very good for beginners.

and what are macro algae's requirments?

Light and nutrients. Nitrates and Phosphates are absorbed and oxygen released.

is there a way i can sorta fence it off if fish start to nibble?

Most fish leave chaetomorpha alone. You could create a refugium in the back of your tank. If you look at my nano build thread, you'll see what I mean. You create a false back and hide equipment in there. You could also grow macro algae in there, as I do. All you need is a sheet of acrylic cut to size. You could then silicone it in place. Although silicone isn't designed to bond to acrylic, it should be sufficient to hold it firmly, as its not taking any weight.


cured live rock is colorful right?

Not always no. If you're refering to coraline growth, it usually occurs in well matured tanks that have little to no phosphates. Phosphates inhibit the calcification of coraline algae. If you can find very pink/purple live rock, you usually pay a premium for it. Cured rock and be brown if its covered in nuisance algae.


and the uncured is brown right?

Uncured rock is pretty much live rock that is taken from the ocean and hasn't be cleaned to remove unwanted plants, crabs and other beasties. Its usually cheaper than cured rock. It will also have a lot of organic matter on it that needs to be removed and will take longer to cycle your tank as the die off from uncured rock can be substantial in comparison.

how do you test? with a test kit?

Not quite sure what you're refering to here? If you mean test for nitrates, phosphates, calcium etc, etc, then yup, use water testing kits. Salifert are pretty much the best ones available. PH is done with a PH probe and SG with a refractometer. If you mean test whether live rock is cured or uncured, it will be by its appearance. Uncured rock will have all manner of stuff growing all over it usually. If you LFS sells both, then the vats should be labelled up.

and can you guys do the stocking for me? it would be a better learning curve for me so if i plan on doing another one ill know what to do.

I'd personally start with easy to keep fish. Clownfish are a good bet. If you want to be a bit different, get some black and white percula clowns. I'd also recommend a goby, like the yellow watchman together with a species of pistol shrimp. These two form a symbiotic relationship. The shrimp builds a little chute in the sand which both the goby and shrimp live in. The fish often brings food back for the shrimp. Try watching some videos on youtube or google video. Another very pretty fish that doesn't grow huge is the royal gramma, which is a striking yellow and purple. They are pretty lively, usually peaceful and will add a lot of colour to your tank.

these are the last questions ill be needing before i feel confident enough to start this, i dont just want to go with what the lfs is sayin and get ripped about the live rock

thanks for all the info so far! nearly convinced my dad.
 
thank you ak47, but which of the fish i listed earlier can i add along with a pair of ocilleres clowns?
here what i listed earlier, just pick whichever ones you would have. :good: just put a yes or no under each one and in what amount if you say yes. my mom wants color and my dad (besides an anemone lol) wants activity throught the day. im personally looking for personality

fire-fish

6-line wrasse

pink streaked wrasse

chalk basslet

citrus goby

flame angel fish

jester goby

tail spot blennie


thanks again for all the help guys!
 
thank you ak47, but which of the fish i listed earlier can i add along with a pair of ocilleres clowns?
here what i listed earlier, just pick whichever ones you would have. :good: just put a yes or no under each one and in what amount if you say yes. my mom wants color and my dad (besides an anemone lol) wants activity throught the day. im personally looking for personality

fire-fish - yes, good choice

6-line wrasse - no, they like a lot of swimming room

pink streaked wrasse - Still unaware about this species, so maybe?

chalk basslet - Would not suggest, i've seen some get to be a decent size

citrus goby - Yes, good choice

flame angel fish - no, gets too big/not enough swimming room

jester goby - yes, good choice

tail spot blennie - yes, good choice

thanks again for all the help guys!

Because of the size of your tank, I would not get more than 1 of the same species from the list above. In addition, including the clownfish, Do no count on adding more than 2 fish from the light above maybe just one (depending on size).
 
pair of clowns
tail spot blennie
fire-fish

this ok?
 
and sorry! one last question, do you have to acclimate live rock since it techniqually has alot of hopefully alive animals?
 
Good question and one I have not seen asked before - but the answer is no, you dont have to acclimatise your live rock as you want to get it into water asap to stop things from dying

Seffie x
 
and sorry! one last question, do you have to acclimate live rock since it techniqually has alot of hopefully alive animals?

I was also going to ask this question...

Good question and one I have not seen asked before - but the answer is no, you dont have to acclimatise your live rock as you want to get it into water asap to stop things from dying

Seffie x

:good: thanks :)
 
after i cycle, when can i add fish and corals?

and is the stocking fine? would it matter if we get shrimp or hermits?
 
CUC have a small Bio-load.

And as far as i know, the tank should be running a minimum of 2 month (stable) before corals can be added.
(dont qoute me on it though)
 
CUC have a small Bio-load.

And as far as i know, the tank should be running a minimum of 2 month (stable) before corals can be added.
(dont qoute me on it though)

ehh. dont worry bout it, what is CUC?

when can i start adding the fish in my stocking?

would it change the stocking if i got shrimps and hermits?
 
CUC= clean up crew
Ie. Snails, hermits, shrimp

Im a Newbie too, so from what i have read.

When you set up the tank, it should have a Nitrite spike then an Ammonia spike. This will cause diatoms (brown algea) which means you need to add your CUC (snails and hermits) they will eat most iof not all the algea, i think after a week or 2 they have been added in then you can slowly add in your fish. Marine shrimp are like Tropical shrimp, they need a mature tank. Corals also need a mature-ish tank.

And i have never come across fish attacking shrimp and snails, so they should be fine with what-ever fish stock you choose :)

:good:
 
CUC= clean up crew
Ie. Snails, hermits, shrimp

Im a Newbie too, so from what i have read.

When you set up the tank, it should have a Nitrite spike then an Ammonia spike. This will cause diatoms (brown algea) which means you need to add your CUC (snails and hermits) they will eat most iof not all the algea, i think after a week or 2 they have been added in then you can slowly add in your fish. Marine shrimp are like Tropical shrimp, they need a mature tank. Corals also need a mature-ish tank.

And i have never come across fish attacking shrimp and snails, so they should be fine with what-ever fish stock you choose :)

:good:


Couple edits.
Ammonia spike and then nitRITe spike :p then you should only have nitRATes after that. You can add your inverts as soon as the ammonia and nitRITes are 0. How long that takes depends upon several factors, but expect it to take about a week. Make sure you test your water before adding anything! Especially inverts. They are much more sensitive.


Several kinds of fish will attack invertebrates, usually it's the shrimp that get it. Your stocking should be fine with all inverts, however.
 

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