Will We Die In 2012?

[GrayScale]

As I stated it won't be the absolute annihilation of the world. It may just be the end of a certain age into another. There is another thread about all the uprisings and protests in other countries due to their government. Who knows this may be the start of a new revolution or era.

But of course that's just me trying to place the end of the world with something known. But at the same time it's too coincidental and creepy to ignore it. Plus a lot can happen in the world between now and then and the weather so far this year sure has been funky. From the tsunami and earth quake hittin japan to mass flooding and tornado warnings in northeastern USA. Could this also be A sign for a "new beginning" at the end of next year.

 

[Bignose]

But of course that's just me trying to place the end of the world with something known. But at the same time it's too coincidental and creepy to ignore it. Plus a lot can happen in the world between now and then and the weather so far this year sure has been funky. From the tsunami and earth quake hittin japan to mass flooding and tornado warnings in northeastern USA. Could this also be A sign for a "new beginning" at the end of next year.

This is classic "these recent events mean x" fallacy. We attribute meaning and significance to the events of the last few months or years simply because we remember them better. It is why people say things like "this is the worst winter I've ever seen" when the records indicate that it wasn't even a top 10 in inches of snow or how cold the average temperatures were. Or placing a lot of significance on the fighting going on in the world, when there have been much more war-like times. WWI or WWII for example. Or placing significance on things that are just coincidence. Like earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan close to each other. Simply put, that's how real random events happen. Occasionally they will be clustered around each other, and occasionally they will go a long time between them. To attribute more than just coincidence to them, some sort of mechanism has to be proposed and then validated.

 

[GrayScale]

I completey agree with you. It's just a thinking type deal you know? I mean it's known that scientists have been able to go back far enough geologically to prove that recent weather events have happened x amount of years ago and we are just repeating the cycle.

But at the same time their are too many unpredictable or unknown factors within the earth itself that can't be proven by any scientist or equipment simply because it's "out of reach" for current technology. I think the biggest keyword is unpredictable though too. Events occur at unpredictable times with unpredictable outcomes. In essence something could happen.

What happens if wwIII happens and there is some sort of nuclear fallout. Idk it's just my two cents.

 

[furry catfish]

Am I the only one who dosn't care?, I mean if its going to happen anyway whats the point in worrying about it? If it happens then the world is probably better off without us,and if not then the next apocalyptic speculation will come soon after

 

[Althamon]

Anyway if the world does end on 21st dec 2012 at what point during that day will it occur? at the beginning when the Aussies first start the day or later on (sorry about throwing another factor in the mix lol). I think with the yellowstone volcano even though it is "overdue" a few years in the grand scheme of things is a mere ripple in the geological history and tbh I don't think it will go off unless it is weakend by aftershocks of an earthquake so even those nearby will have a few moments warning at least.

Maybe the calender wasn't infact a calender but a countdown to the return of the alien species that taught the mayans everyting they knew (now I told you this I have to watch for government agents coming to silence the truth )

 

[raptorrex]

The reason 2012 is mentioned so often is because the calendar created by the Mayans ends in 2012.

This isn't true. What happens in Dec 2012 in the Mayan calendar is in their system of counting rolls over a digit. I.e. like when our current calendar went from 999 to 1000.

The Mayan actually made predictions of solar and lunar eclipses later in the future than Dec 2012. They certainly aren't predicting the world ending.

This infographic does a pretty good job summing a lot of these points up: http/www.informati...d-of-the-world/

I would say it was true, it was the end of THAT periodic calender. but as you point out, they didn't predict the end of the Planet.

as for the only facts in this, the planetary alignment. you will be hard pressed to find a physicist, who says that it will have no effect on our planet, though none know what this effect will be.

 

[3l3ctric]

Am I the only one who dosn't care?, I mean if its going to happen anyway whats the point in worrying about it? If it happens then the world is probably better off without us,and if not then the next apocalyptic speculation will come soon after

Nope, you're not the only one!

 

[Bignose]

as for the only facts in this, the planetary alignment. you will be hard pressed to find a physicist, who says that it will have no effect on our planet, though none know what this effect will be.

sure -- the tides will be a little stronger during that time than usual. Otherwise, there is nothing else, unless there is an almost unbelievability large part of physics we are missing. And while I am certainly not going to say that we know all the details on how the forces work, like gravity -- we can make exceptionally accurate predictions of the effects of gravity.

That is to say -- gravity doesn't gain any super powers just because a bunch of things line up. When they line up, the gravitational pull will be every so slightly stronger because everything will be pulling in the same direction. Same thing will electromagnetism. But, unless there is just something that has been 100% missed until now, the effects of alignment are almost insignificant.

And, is there a chance that we've missed something? Sure, there is a finite non-zero chance. But, I personally would call the chance of something large enough to affect the planet in any significant way and having never been observed before awfully, awfully remote.

So, you're right. No one is saying no effect. Just that the effects are pretty darn small.

 

[raptorrex]

as for the only facts in this, the planetary alignment. you will be hard pressed to find a physicist, who says that it will have no effect on our planet, though none know what this effect will be.

sure -- the tides will be a little stronger during that time than usual. Otherwise, there is nothing else, unless there is an almost unbelievability large part of physics we are missing. And while I am certainly not going to say that we know all the details on how the forces work, like gravity -- we can make exceptionally accurate predictions of the effects of gravity.

That is to say -- gravity doesn't gain any super powers just because a bunch of things line up. When they line up, the gravitational pull will be every so slightly stronger because everything will be pulling in the same direction. Same thing will electromagnetism. But, unless there is just something that has been 100% missed until now, the effects of alignment are almost insignificant.

And, is there a chance that we've missed something? Sure, there is a finite non-zero chance. But, I personally would call the chance of something large enough to affect the planet in any significant way and having never been observed before awfully, awfully remote.

So, you're right. No one is saying no effect. Just that the effects are pretty darn small.

I'm, largely, with you on this. but, despite how weak gravity is. a 200kg satellite can be used to divert a multi 1000kg asteroid (in theory. gravity tug). that's why you wont find many physicist making claims as to its effect. as i have already said, its happened over 350 times in the existence of hominids, so it clearly is not an extinction event. that does not mean the effects will unnoticed, just it wont be the end of the world, not even as we know it.
what we know of physics tells us we cant be sure what will happen. we don't, for instance, know the whereabouts of all the mass in our solar system. gravitational effects are predictable, but only if you know the whereabouts of the item/items, in question.

 

[Althamon]

Just thought with the planetary alignment happening this may cause slightly more seismic activity and I suspect that due to the moon being it's closest for many years that may have partially had a hand with everything in japan at the moment so may be the year of the earthquakes next year

 

[Bignose]

I'm, largely, with you on this. but, despite how weak gravity is. a 200kg satellite can be used to divert a multi 1000kg asteroid (in theory. gravity tug). that's why you wont find many physicist making claims as to its effect.

Yeah, but it had to get really close to do that. The force of gravity decreases as the square of distance away. It falls of really, really rapidly. If the force is 1 (in an arbitrary force unit) when standing 100 m away, the force is 1/4 when 200 m away. And 1/16 when 400 m away. And so on. It doesn't take a whole lot of distance until it falls off to a very, very small number. And the other planets are quite a long distance away from Earth. Gravity (nor magnetism or the other known forces) cannot have have any significant affect on us, unless, as I wrote above, there is some ginormous completely unobserved effect that we've completely missed. Again, is that possible? Sure. But, I'd consider it rather unlikely.

 

[Bignose]

Just thought with the planetary alignment happening this may cause slightly more seismic activity and I suspect that due to the moon being it's closest for many years that may have partially had a hand with everything in japan at the moment so may be the year of the earthquakes next year

The moon was the closest to the Earth on March 19th. That is true. The moon was 356577 km from the earth

But according to this calculator: http/www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html one month previous, it was 358246 km from the earth, on 19 Feb. A difference of 1669 km made that big of a difference? 0.4% closer = one of the largest earthquakes ever recorded? The moon goes back and forth every month. From 405,000 km to 360,000 km. If the moon where really the cause, why wouldn't earthquakes occur much more frequently at each month's perigee? When, the study has been done, and no correlation has been found. http/adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970Moon....2..140K You can see the abstract of that paper there -- the correlation is called "specious" which is a fancy way of saying "seems like it is plausible but the actual data shows it is false".

In short, it just isn't the moon. Earthquakes happen randomly.

 

[BadBadger]

http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY



It could end at any given time in my opinion. The canary islands could collapse tomorrow and wipe out america. The nord islands could do the same and wipe out the UK.

Anyway..... Good song

 

[M.R Otter]

I live in a desert, no volcanoes around, no blizzards, no tsunamis, no floods, no earthquacks and no tornadoes!!
I have nothing to worry about! I'll just lie down on my sofa and watch what happens on tv.

 

[swanseastilo]

Well i hope not im off to afghan then