Uk Election

[kaivalagi]

Unfortunately we are a monarchy.

However being the complete royalist that I am, I think they should all be killed, and we should go to a presedency.

lol...we need a referendum on that one

I personally think her work on the commonwealth is enough to justify her position, take it as you will I am a little biased here though, a lot of my family has a armed forces background...

edit: search google with "hung parliament imf" and you'll find mostly Tory media hype...still looking for something more credible....
here's an interesting article: http/blogs.channel...to-imf-bailout/
I guess it suggests the hung parliament itself is not a concern, just what happens off the back of it in terms of economic recovery, lets hope all involved are mature enough to come to a quick solution to the countries economic problems...I just wonder how when parties are used to being so opposed to each other how they'll get out of that mind set to move us genuinely forward. The pound and ftse are dropping though...maybe a short term thing *fingers crossed*. The BBC is concentrating on this topic right now...as you would expect

edit: my local constituency is to be announced in half an hour or so, Norwich North...

 

[chrisbassist]

Fair enough. There are some major royalists out there who would completely disagree, which is fine.

I however don't believe in someone having power over us because of who their parents were. Same goes for lords.

 

[kaivalagi]

Fair enough. There are some major royalists out there who would completely disagree, which is fine.

I however don't believe in someone having power over us because of who their parents were. Same goes for lords.

It is our history though....I think they should stay but without so much wealth or say - I do think the Queen keeps out of matters unless the constitution demands it, which for me tells us she is a good Queen...it will be interesting to see what will happen through the generations of royality to come. Maybe we should have cut backs on the royal families budget, using that to help out somewhere...that I couldn't argue with what-so-ever, they have far too much of the UK's resources at their finger tips...

 

[Shred]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but could someone please explain to me in laymans terms why lib dems have a 23% vote and only 53 seats, and labour have a 29% vote with 252 seats?

 

[chrisbassist]

Because in one region labour may win the seat by only a few hundred votes, while in others, lobs may win a seat by thousands. So even though libvdems have recieved a large portion of votes nationally, they haven't won the seats.

 

[Shred]

Well I thought that might of been why, but then it says that "other" has 12% of votes with 27 seats, but yet I can only see one region where they won. I'm confused.

EDIT: Ahhhh, I didn't notice Scotland and N Ireland, where most of the "other" votes are.

 

[andywg]

Oh and just to clarify my opinion on your stance, voting for a stronger government, is somewhat admirable, voting to get out labour, is a somewhat scummy thing to do.

Really? You are saying that voting because you think one party is absolutely awful and needs to be removed is scummy? A brave call (as Sir Humphrey might say).

As an aside, to all those who are saying they want the electoral system reformed, do you really want all this after every single election? In particular, look at the grouping that appears necessary for a labour based majority, at the least it seems to need the LibDems, and someone else (such as the SNP). This would give the views of the very small amount of people who voted for the SNP a greater voice in government than those who voted for the Conservatives. And this unfairness is what PR would bring; almost a guarantee that the views of the second largest party are respected less than thos of the third or fourth parties.

I for one prefer the fact I ahve a single person representing me who can become attuned to the wants and needs of my area rather than a faceless body to which I should put my requests with almost no chance of them coming from my area and understanding its makeup.

On the plus side, if we have a Lab-Lib-SNP-PC coalition it could finally force an answer to the West Lothian question since then it really would be Scottish votes allowing a Scottish person to rule over England where so few have voted for him and I can't see that being supported for long in the now mostly right wing and London based press.

Fair enough. There are some major royalists out there who would completely disagree, which is fine.

I however don't believe in someone having power over us because of who their parents were. Same goes for lords.

I think you are conusing Republicans with Royalists. Royalists (as their name suggests) are supporters of the Crown. I like having the Crown there with absolute power on the grounds that it is never used. It is a last check on anyone trying to get too big for their boots. The last thing you really want is to give ultimate power to someone who wants it.

Also, Hereditry Peers are just about gone, only a few remain and they are people who had been serving for a long time and have done much good. I just hope that any coalition does not unleash the nightmare that would be an elected second chamber. God only knows what sort of tripe would make it to the statute books without any propert expertise in there to keep an eye on it! (and that is without touching on primacy of the chambers and whether the Parliament Act could still apply). A neutral appointing body would be the best solution to remove it from also being a chamber for failed politicians wanting another bite of the cherry (Mandy as an example).

 

[chrisbassist]

I'm not confused between royalists and republicans, I merely use the term to describe someone who is a supporter of having a royal family.

If you are a supporter of the crown, then fair enough. It would take more than me to make a change like that happen, and I'm not sure I would want to live through the change and what it would mean. You say as long as the power is not used. What happens when we have our next king? Will that person want to use that power? And if they do, what can we do to stop it? This is why MY belief is that whoever holds that power should be a choice of the people, not a right given by birth.

Again, just my opinion, and you are free to have yours.


On the upside, apparently the IMF (or whatever it's called) has given us til the end of the year before evaluating our position.

 

[kaivalagi]

On the upside, apparently the IMF (or whatever it's called) has given us til the end of the year before evaluating our position.

That is good news, it gives a bit of room for getting things right, whether that be a coalition or re-election.

David Cameron's speech was interesting, it's now in the hands of the Lib Dems to decide how they wish to proceed with any getting together of the two parties, but it does look like the Conservatives won't back down on too much of it's manifesto, especially Trident which I disagree with their stance on...anyhoo, more interesting decisions to come...

 

[Ace Of Spades]

Nick Clegg was wearing an orange tie this morning, I wonder if that indicates anything lol

That he is wearing his parties colours?!

 

[kaivalagi]

Nick Clegg was wearing an orange tie this morning, I wonder if that indicates anything lol

That he is wearing his parties colours?!

Some people....

No, that would be more of a yellow...red+yellow=orange, get it?

e.g.:

Didn't mean anything in the end anyway

 

[PDSimon]

I voted conservative too. Mostly because I prefer their policies but I don't like Brown or labour either.

This Hung parliament isn't looking good

 

[OohFeeshy]

David Cameron's speech was interesting, it's now in the hands of the Lib Dems to decide how they wish to proceed with any getting together of the two parties, but it does look like the Conservatives won't back down on too much of it's manifesto, especially Trident which I disagree with their stance on...anyhoo, more interesting decisions to come...

What did he say? There seem to be multiple lines from different sources, some saying the Cons are going to give it a go on their own, some saying they're going to try and work with the Lib Dems, some say both...

I voted in my Uni constituency (Bath) which was a safe Lib Dem seat anyway, but my home constituency (Portsmouth North) has switched from Lab to Con, which I'm not sure if I'm suprised about because I think it was a specific Tory target. How that will change things, I'm not sure; I haven't read any of their manifestos. I probably should...

 

[kaivalagi]

David Cameron's speech was interesting, it's now in the hands of the Lib Dems to decide how they wish to proceed with any getting together of the two parties, but it does look like the Conservatives won't back down on too much of it's manifesto, especially Trident which I disagree with their stance on...anyhoo, more interesting decisions to come...

What did he say? There seem to be multiple lines from different sources, some saying the Cons are going to give it a go on their own, some saying they're going to try and work with the Lib Dems, some say both...

I voted in my Uni constituency (Bath) which was a safe Lib Dem seat anyway, but my home constituency (Portsmouth North) has switched from Lab to Con, which I'm not sure if I'm suprised about because I think it was a specific Tory target. How that will change things, I'm not sure; I haven't read any of their manifestos. I probably should...

Hard to say what will happen, you know what these speeches can be like, you can read it lots of ways. What is apparant now is that the Lib Dems now need to get involved before it clear what is going to happen next...

Read both Tory and Lib Dem manifesto and try to see how they could be combined and compromised on

 

[chrisbassist]

You voted without knowing whose manifesto you agreed with?

I think the first change to happen with the voting system is that when you register to vote, you are sent the manifesto of all major parties, if not all parties running in your area.