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Anyone been following the mess that is this hung parliament then?
I think it will be a hopeless situation if we get a Lib Lab government, held in place with a majority from a bunch of little parties, all with differing views....
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I fear the worst though....

William Hague's speech was bang on in my opinion... referendum for the voting system to broker a deal with the Lib Dems is fair enough considering they wanted the same thing in the past...and if given the option I'll vote to keep the voting system the same plus a guarantee for the first placed party to get in if a minority vote comes through. It will be interesting what the options will be...
 
well gordon announced his decision to stand down as labours leader today, I think if the conservatives give in on the right issues a libcon government would be great, if they give in on the wrong issues it'll be a major mess...
 
well gordon announced his decision to stand down as labours leader today, I think if the conservatives give in on the right issues a libcon government would be great, if they give in on the wrong issues it'll be a major mess...


Too true, so far I've seen comments on concessions on all 4 points the lib dems want, whether they are right for us is another thing, you would hope so...

nice new sig btw, might have to get creative for mine now :)

 
Cheers, I tried the pic of the tank but even though it's within the limits it seemed too big.

I have a differing opinion on the voting system than you. A think a system with a fair representaion of the votes is a good thing.

If you vote for party a, then sure you're voting for someone to represent you, but it doesn't mean you'll have people of similar values in the government. I think reform will be a good thing.
 
I think a referendum will bring that change anyway, just because of this hung parliament...how people think and all that...
 
I once again, am from the u.s very interested in you politics,I don't get much coverage from any news stations,all I can find is things online,so fill me in if you will.So I know you have a hung parliament so no party can clearly "make a government" I think its called.so when Brown steps down who becomes the prime minister and i hope there not a member of the tory's,I am not a fan at all of any conservatives. I like the lib-dems.Is it true that there is an disagreement with the number of lib-dems that got seats I red that there was some protest on the fairness.

I think there should be a politics section on this forum.
 
I don't think there should, it capable of causing far too many arguments.

Basically the lib dems got a higher percentage of the vote this time but lost seats.
 
I once again, am from the u.s very interested in you politics,I don't get much coverage from any news stations,all I can find is things online,so fill me in if you will.So I know you have a hung parliament so no party can clearly "make a government" I think its called.so when Brown steps down who becomes the prime minister and i hope there not a member of the tory's,I am not a fan at all of any conservatives. I like the lib-dems.Is it true that there is an disagreement with the number of lib-dems that got seats I red that there was some protest on the fairness.

I think there should be a politics section on this forum.


What Chris saif on the votes for Lib Dem and...

Brown will be in a caretaker role until things get sorted, all he's done is resign to allow another labour MP to take the reigns, on the premise that an agreement between Lib Deb and Labour would be more possible...still falls back to the need for backing by small parties to get anything done in a majority manner...plus if labour do get in again that will be another PM in place which wasn't voted in by the people.

We NEED a conservative / lib dem coalition I think, whatever it takes...if that means more Lib Dem policy that's fine by me...I just want us to get through the recession as best as possible. Having 2nd and 3rd place parties (by seats) leading the country would in my opinion make a mockery of the political system, especially when even with their seats added together they still haven't got a majority.

We definitely need some voting rules changes....I'm not sure what the options will be though...
 
I don't believe that for a second.

I'm sure a majority of mps go in with honest intentions. Then fail to do anything about them because suddenly other things are more important, or there is no way to get the money required without majorly raising taxes.

On the other hand. I did chuckle to myself with that comment...

Torys have agreed to a referendum on the voting system. So I think it's probably just a matter of time.

No matter what the lib dems do now, I think they will lose votes next election.
 
I once again, am from the u.s very interested in you politics,I don't get much coverage from any news stations,all I can find is things online,so fill me in if you will.So I know you have a hung parliament so no party can clearly "make a government" I think its called.

It is where no party controls more than 50% of the elected Members of Parliament. As such, if the government introduces a law which the other parties do not like the government can be defeated. There are some votes (motions of no confidence and, I seem to recall, the Queen's Speech and budget bills) on which defeat for the government dissolves parliament causing a new election.

so when Brown steps down who becomes the prime minister

He remains Prime Minister (regardless of him starting to stand down as leader of the Labour Party) until someone else can form a majority at which point he will recommend that person to the Queen to be new Prime Minister.

and i hope there not a member of the tory's,I am not a fan at all of any conservatives.

With the greatest respect, you probably do not quite understand the political landscape over here. Even our Conservatives are to the left of the Democrats. I prefer to take the democratic route and say that if no deal can be done, it should go to the person with the most public support.

I like the lib-dems.Is it true that there is an disagreement with the number of lib-dems that got seats I red that there was some protest on the fairness.

The Lib Dems have a thin smattering of support across the UK whilst the Labour party has great support in urban areas and the Conservatives enjoy the support of the shires. As we have a representative democracy the Lib Dems poll a large amount of the vote but not enough in any areas to actually win seats. The same system has been in place for many years and has worked just fine. Any change will provide a system which will result in this horse trading after every election (which is likely to make it fail at any referendum).

It is a bit like the Electoral College system where one party loses any states it loses by a small margin but wins those states it wins by a huge margin. The end result is that this party has less votes in the Electoral College despite potentially having more votes cast nationwide. Ever since the Liberals (or Whigs as they were also once known) became the third party they have campaigned for PR because it will benefit them. Strangely, the reform Labour is offering (AV) would have given them an even larger majority in the 2001 and 2005 elections. The cynics amongst you may not believe there is any real altruism in the actions of the politicians on this matter. ;)

I think there should be a politics section on this forum.

Only if you like flame wars and lots of bans :D Political forums require a more adult approach than is available here (both in terms of what is allowed to be said, and in the approach of the members to the subject) as they rapidly descend into yes-no arguments and mud slinging.
 
Nice post andy, again a couple of differing opinions but a well written post with things to think about.

So far so good with this politcal thread though. Thankfully it has remained rather mature in respecting differing opinions. I rather like hearing others opinions and the reasoning behind them. Unfortunately with some people the opinions are too forthcoming and the reasoning isn't there at all. When those people get involved a flame war will be the likely outcome.
 
wait so the torys are liberal? this is so confuzzling,you right though there would be a lot of blasting if we did have a politics section.

O and non offense taking I have no clue whats going on over there the news coverage is....sketchy it seems all I hear about is terrorist and protest,economic down falls,etc..but not much on politics but I find them very interesting.

And I also like how this thread has remained rather civil.


The coverage is so bad I didn't even know the election was happening till the day before,and I have the reputation of a news junkie,Also i can't wait for our mid-term elections in November things will be interesting,Cant wait to see how many seats my dems will win "smack wood for me please"
 
I voted Labour , first time ive voted(23 now) . I don't like the conservatives as they generally help the rich and sod of the poor , not that im perticually poor but compared to some areas cumbria is. I think the Lib Dem Leader screwed it up for them as he was useeless when put under pressure, the old alcho leader was more intresting!

A lib Dem / Conservative mix is not going to go well and id imagine the onservatives just calling another election to get them out.
 

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