Uk Election

[chrisbassist]

Yup, no matter what happened (and this result is no different) LD will lose votes next time around. But you never know, they may sort them selves out enough to have s big role in government with a new vote system in 10 years time.

As for the nhs. I believe on the whole it is a brilliant thing. And for the most part the system works. On the other hand it doesn't always work. If my mum had stayed with the nhs she would have suffered more and died about a year ago, instead of 2 months ago with only her last 3 days really suffering.

For most the system works, but when it doesn't, it screws up badly.

 

[kaivalagi]

For most the system works, but when it doesn't, it screws up badly.

You're right for the most part the NHS does a great thing, I have been through other family worries before without any bother and have been impressed (ironically when the Tories were in!) but I am extremely bitter right now because of the suffering my dad went through. Forgetting to sort out his morphine so he has hours of agony is not acceptable, the nurses have a bad attitude where I was with him, probably because they believe they need more numbers/pay etc...but whenever I visited they were all chin wagging around the ward desk and not checking the patients. They had a real bad attitude...

Now I know this is only one ward in one hospital so by no means illustrates the country as a whole, and maybe in a month or so when my Dad goes back in for keyhole surgery I'll think differently, but I can't help but have a real problem with it all right now

On the lib dem front, I personally think that if I see them act responsibly and right for the country then they'll probably get my vote next time around, it may be the same with other current conservative voters?

LOL I just can't stand David Cameron and the tories because of their record of being anti gay. Sure he said sorry, but I just can't look at this massive forehead without wanting to punch him.

Fair enough, one of my best friends can't stand the tories for the same reason, human rights are human rights after all.....

 

[chrisbassist]

I suppose its possible, but i can't see too many switching to the opposite team.

and purely because the lib dems have sided with the conservatives, SOME lib dems will dislike that a lot, and vote elsewhere.

personally i'm not as bitter as that, and if it works well, and i agree with the things done in this coalition, I would even consider voting for a libcon government next time around (if it were an option, and if they do a good job remains to be seen) for me, it's more about what is best for the country, and issues which directly influence my life. things done to high earners won't impact on my life too much, but tax for the lower paid jobs does. maybe in 10 years time that will change, but at the moment, thats how it stands. I do believe however, that if you could have a different tax level for people who are secure, that might work, e.g. if someone owns their own home, has completely paid the mortgage, and has no other debt, they could potentially be taxed more than someone with 15 years left on their mortgage and £25k of debt, obviously it would have to be minimal, otherise people wouldn't bother getting themselves financially sound, and in practice it probably wouldn't work (and voters wouldn't like it either). my point is, in my current situation, where we can't afford to rent, let alone buy, have porr credit rating, etc, a small tax break would allow us to sort things out quicker and easier. whereas someone in my stepdads situation, where he owns a £1m house on a few acres, no mortgage to pay, no phone bill to pay since he gets it free, no mobile phone bill (free) a company car, and earning around £200k a year, could afford to give up some of the money for the good of the country, with out too much impact on lifestyle.
I realise that if was earning that much, I would probably argue against myself there, saying that I work hard for every penny, why should the government take more from me when I obviously work much harder for it... but the point still remains valid, even if it would be unpopular.

 

[kaivalagi]

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My bitterness will last as long as I see poor care of patients...my Dad wasn't alone, I saw a whole ward of miserable patients being treated like dogs. Also the fact that I am paying a ridiculous amount of money in NI which means I can't then afford £125/month on family health cover with Bupa is just insulting to me...

I may be migrating to elsewhere in a few years anyway so that will fix that problem I would imagine...then I'll have a choice on health care...

I'm in the middle ground where I earn enough to pay stupid amounts of NI and tax, but not enough to be able to afford NI out of my wages and pay for private health care too...the situation sucks for me. I have no options, and instead have to pump loads of money into the NHS and see rubbish care for my Dad....

Bitter about the NHS now, probably bitter in a month too...

I bring home a smidgen over 50% gross from my wages....probably paying for all those spongers to get fixed up in A&E on a Friday night after getting completely wasted on beer bought with their benefit money...


The system isn't fair for you and isn't fair for me, it isn't fair for anyone right now except the ones that deserve nothing...that's my view (after a pint of lager to loosen the tongue )
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[andywg]

It's pretty much a disaster for me (well, Scotland really).

Thatcher ripped Britain apart during her reign, and Scotland in particular. I can only see Cameron trying to do the same. It seems to be the unwritten policy in the Tory manifesto.

Perhaps it is revenge for the West Lothian question and the fact that those elected to represent the people of Scotland do not have the dignity not to vote on issues which do not affect Scotland and are devolved in Scotland. England only has higher tuition fees because of the support of Scottish MPs when it would not have affected Scotland.

Pull your purse strings now, fellow Scots, Cameron is coming to clear us out.....again. (the reason the Torys got only 1 seat in Scotland)

Given the Barnet formula pushes more money per capita to Scotland than England (that is, the taxes paid by the English subsidise services in Scotland) I have no problem with Scotland (and the other lesser nations of the Union) taking a bigger cut of funding per capita in the near future.

And just for the record, I'm Scottish, not British.

Then perhaps you should have encouraged more of your fellow socts to vote for the SNP. I would love to see how Scotland would cope with independance, especially as there is no way it would get all the (diminishing) North Sea oil revenue. Didn't Salmond used to say how Scotland could be like Iceland and Ireland?

 

[kaivalagi]

Well put Andy

Just to clarify I'm British not English....

 

[chrisbassist]

there has been a lot on the news today so far about all this.

apparently the next election will be the first thursday in may 2015... seems like they're confident it will work out. I hope it does, for the sake of the country, but also because I'm a LD supporter and it would be nice to see how well the approach works in practice. because in theory, it's all good.

 

[kaivalagi]

there has been a lot on the news today so far about all this.

apparently the next election will be the first thursday in may 2015... seems like they're confident it will work out. I hope it does, for the sake of the country, but also because I'm a LD supporter and it would be nice to see how well the approach works in practice. because in theory, it's all good.

I second that...

I haven't kept up with the news today, crazy work day...bbc website in a while

 

[Ace Of Spades]

To be honest I'm for whatever gets us moving again, whether that would of been Lib Lab, Con Dem, Con Minority or a re-election. I just think the country needs to sort itself out, slow down immigration, and try and get out of debt. I am not politics fanatic, nor do I understand most of it, but this election has actually got me a lot more interested for some reason, maybe it is because I am of age now.

 

[Jonty]

We're a Con-Dem-Nation!

 

[Betta5]

I don't get the slowing down immigration because none of the parties are going to. 80% of immigrants come from the EU. So they are just going to "put a cap" on the other 20% so its unlikely to make that much of a difference.

 

[Truck]

We're a Con-Dem-Nation!

Lib-Con, in Mr Cameron's own words...

I don't get the slowing down immigration because none of the parties are going to. 80% of immigrants come from the EU. So they are just going to "put a cap" on the other 20% so its unlikely to make that much of a difference.

Still a cap is better than nothing, I'd like to see a source of where you got the 4:1 ratio of European to Non European from.

 

[onebto]

Yep I heard that the problem was not non EU immigration in this country and that it was EU immigration that was entirely the problem , it was a BBC program I saw it on but I have heard that else were in fact quite a few times I believe Gordon the unelected one used it in a futile form of defence in the final of the 3 debates.

In fact the numbers they were quoting stated that last year that's 2009 there were more non EU people left the country than came in! Something I was gob smacked to hear.

IMHO this country is a small one with a finite amount of resources we have enough indigenous population sponging while sitting on there backsides smoking fags watching the 50" plasma courtesy of Gordon and the social. The last thing this country needs is more Europeans coming in and using resources while they give nothing back, they know there writes but have not got a clue of there responsibility's.

Unfortunately we cannot do anything about it mores the pity thanks to the departing Labour party selling us down the river to Brussels good riddance to very bad rubbish

My humble opinion of course.

I am glad The Conservatives are in and although I was not sure about them going into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats I am hoping that it works I have a funny feeling it may well here is being hopeful and optimistic.

Onebto

 

[backtotropical]

Given the Barnet formula pushes more money per capita to Scotland than England (that is, the taxes paid by the English subsidise services in Scotland) I have no problem with Scotland (and the other lesser nations of the Union) taking a bigger cut of funding per capita in the near future.

Whilst it may be the case that the Barnett formula allocates more money to Scotland than England, the tax paid in England doesn't subsidise any of Scotland's services my friend, contrary to what Westminster would have you believe. In actual fact it is very much the other way around. Maybe they allocate more money per capita to Scotland because Scotland generates more money per capita than England? Maybe that's something to think about. Westminster don't give Scotland a bigger wealth per head than England for free, I can say that much for sure.

Hence why I do have a problem with the smaller (not lesser) nations (obviously Scotalnd in particular in my case) taking a larger proprtion of cuts.

 

[onebto]