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[DarkEntity]

I agree with everyone who has tried in vein to advise him he has gone way way over stocked in his tank, but you are also rite he seems to be completely ignoring everyone so whats the point in bothering.

Yes you are correct no tank is a replacement for the real environment, one reason why i probably will never get a marine tank, im very agasint raping the reefs for our tanks. (3% of marine keepers breed their fish/inverts/or frag corals) (80% of my fish are all local bred (Kribs, Cherry Barbs, Bristlenoses, Rams, Snails, Shrimps, PK's etc)

We as fish keepers have a duty though to provide a good if not great home for our fish, and his simply isnt. Even after all the advise given he seemed more interested in his pleasure rather than the well being of his fish.

 

[andywg]

I never said anything of addressing a person with "fluff", if you read the thread then you know I was originally brought into this when people were calling Fate an idiot... no need for that. Say he is making a mistake or what not, but there is no need to call someone an immature name because you don't agree with them. Please do spare me the Latin, I find myself rather sick of it after 6 years of study and nothing irritates me more than someone trying to come off as some sort of philosopher by using it. We have modern language, exercise it.

He may have wasted your time originally, but you are wasting your own time now trying to convince him that you are RIGHT! I hate to break it to you, but in no way, shape or form is it natural to keep any fish in any size aquarium.

The use of locus standi is not for philosophical terms. It is an English legal term to state you have no grounds on which to make that statement. Quite apt, I felt, in this set of circumstances.

So if someone, in my eyes, is being an idiot, I can't say it because you might get "brought into it". You then tried to belittle Daz by picking holes in his written English ability to make yourself feel superior.

My time is not being wasted, I long ago decided not to bother addressing Fate's tanks as he blatently picks and chooses the pieces of information that suit what he wants to do. I am just pointing out there was every reason for Daz to say what he had after trying a number of times to point out the errors of what the OP was doing.

I would hate to see how you would fare in real life if someone calling someone else an idiot on an internet forum forces you to get involved.

 

[Fate2006]

-.-" orginally this post was made to show my accomplishement, my first planted tank, however since nobody seems to be interested in that and more interested in saying "you over stocked that tank... did you know that?" I am requesting it be deleted... IMO this forum has turned into a forum of bad mouthing and telling people they did the wrong thing instead of what it should be... HELPFUL... again thanks to all who enjoyed my tank and left a complement... and to Daz... just stop man, your just childish man... you should just stop trying to help because your advice is always that the person is wrong and you are right... advice is advice if I choose to follow yours or not is my choice, you making this thread into a page bad mouthing my stocking style is just pathetic...

 

[nukeonekitty]

Eh, forget it.

 

[Daz CPFC]

-.-" orginally this post was made to show my accomplishement, my first planted tank, however since nobody seems to be interested in that and more interested in saying "you over stocked that tank... did you know that?" I am requesting it be deleted... IMO this forum has turned into a forum of bad mouthing and telling people they did the wrong thing instead of what it should be... HELPFUL... again thanks to all who enjoyed my tank and left a complement... and to Daz... just stop man, your just childish man... you should just stop trying to help because your advice is always that the person is wrong and you are right... advice is advice if I choose to follow yours or not is my choice, you making this thread into a page bad mouthing my stocking style is just pathetic...

How am i childish? I'm just trying to advise you to think about the welfare of your fish. I dont personally think that is "childish". Also my advice is not always that the person is wrong. Ive given advice many times here on this forum so far and will continue to do so.

I never state that the OP is wrong but in this case i feel the need to. People will read this thread and think that your stockign is fine for the tank and go out and set one up the sam and your stocking is severly wrong like me and other members told you so. This is why i bought it up on this thread and hoped that you would at least understand after all the advice given to you. Also i never made this thread into a bad mouthing session, there are many other members comments on here also backing me up i suspect these are the ones who actually know what conditions DPs need to survive and know about there behaviour. You say you work in a LFS, if this is the case i think you should know better in this situation. Im not trying to be little you saying what i am. Also saying what i am i dont think makes me look childish in this situation. Personally i hope your puffers do survive why wouldnt i?

 

[andywg]

IMO this forum has turned into a forum of bad mouthing and telling people they did the wrong thing instead of what it should be... HELPFUL...

The forum tried to help when you asked for advice. Don't be surprised to see people point out you ignored the advice. That is something that has stayed constant the entire time I have been a member. Like I said before, supposing you had gone and bought an RTC for that tank. Should we have said "oooh, nice plants" and ignored the fact the fish stock was inappropriate?

This is the second time people have advised against you stocking a small tank in this way and you have had a huff by requesting the thread be closed. Maybe you should show a little more maturity by responding in a more mature way, rather than resorting to "ok I don't care what your saying about the overstock" you could say "I am aware there could be problems but I have a spare tank to remove and can set up another tank if required".

At the end of the day, if you don't want thepublic to comment on your setup, don't put it in the public domain.

 

[babybell911]

I do agree with Daz I'm afraid. We're all meant to love fish so you can't expect us to say yeah brilliant tank when you sayyou have 3 dwarf puffer (3 gallons each) and 3 ottos. It will just upset people that they gave you all this advice on stocking agression waste issues and you ignored them. One puffer and 3 ottos you could have pushed for but still a little ambitious. If you have the money to go and buy another 5 gallon if it all goes wrong why didn't you just buy a 10G first and then all this arguing would have been saved.
I'm not sure i like the tank it doesnt have much depth to it although the plants are nice

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

Maybe you should show a little more maturity by responding in a more mature way, rather than resorting to "ok I don't care what your saying about the overstock" you could say "I am aware there could be problems but I have a spare tank to remove and can set up another tank if required".

I'm not trying to prove you wrong andywg but I believe he did say that on his very firs post in this thread!

Here it is, mind you I copied and pasted it.

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Hey everybody!! I've finally got my dwarf puffer (5 gallon hex) tank set up ^^ now I know it's not advised but I've here's what in there...

3 otos
3 Dwarf puffer...

Yeah I know they are very agressive, but the guy at the LFS gave me 3 for the price of 2... apparently on Wednesday there if you buy 2 you get 1 free... well if I notice agression I've got a 3 gallon tank ready and I'll buy another 5 gallon (if called for)... well here are some pics of the set-up! Sorry couldn't get any close ups of the puffers, they went right into the plants Quote



I like the tank, it looks nice. It is probably overstocked but if he keeps it cleaned well and watches for agression he'll be just fine. I've never had agression problems with these fish, and I've kept them together with guppies before. Offer your advise if you must, (we all apreciate it trust me) but if someone doesn't take it you are really in no position to do anything about it so why bother any further. I know it's fun to debate and all, and we all like to feel like we are superior in our aquarium knowlege to everyone else on this forum, but the fact remains that everyone can do as they please and we just need to respect that and try not to get bent out of shape about it.

To the OP, your tank looks good. Keep a very close eye on it, and test your water stats daily. Do at least a 20% change weekly whether your stats say you need it or not, and get all the detritus out that you can. You can have a beautiful aquarium with that setup you've got but if you're not vigilant it will go south quickly! Consider yourself warned in the most friendly manner.


SLC

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Fate2006...Listen to me;
1. The tank looks very nice...
2. ...But it is overstocked.
3. Many people here will naturally point out to you that you tank is overstocked when it is overstocked. This goes for anyone- people are not singling you out here, it is not a personal thing in action.
4. You may or may not have an issue with this, but it is the truth. If you cannot handle the truth, then that is your problem. If you started the thread wanting to see completely positive replies from everybody, then you should have stocked it correctly- a good tank is not just about how it looks, its also about whats in it too.
5. I disagree with the insults been thrown around here purely on the basis they are not really helpful, but to be honest they are few and far between and really hold little in offensiveness- i can also completely understand why some people are so upset with your actions. To be honest, if i spent my time advising someone not to do something after they asked me what to do, and they went out and did it regardless of what i said, i wouldn't be too chuffed with them to say the least, i certainly wouldn't be about to congratulate you on decisions. I'm sure you would feel the same too if you were in that situation too, yes?
6. The "lets all be nice stuff"- people, wake up! There are thousands of people that are members of this forum or view this forum every day, not everybody is going to get along or like each other. As far as forums go in general, this is a very "nice" and peaceful forum- if you think this behavior on this thread is somehow completely unacceptable/shocking, then you should really open your eyes. Really, it makes me wonder how all these "nice forum" people survive in real life, probably go to the police when someone calls them a name lol.
"Sign" But yeah, as long as people aren't personally atttacking each other, and are just judging the actions someone has done, then i don't see whats wrong with that. The adice given out here may be blunt, but it is so to give to the facts you need because you have apparently ignored previous advice attempts.

Fate2006- people are concerned about the welfare of your fish. There are also members here fustrated that you have a habit of ignoring good and sound advice for no apparent good reason.
You also have to remember that thousands of people view these forums everyday and many learn much from here, if people saw this thread with no one raising a single concern over the stocking, then they make take it as a sign there is nothing wrong with the stocking and try to follow it in their own tanks. This of course would be a bad thing since your stocking is not ideal. I think it is good that people here have raised well-founded concerns over your stocking if only to at least raise the issue to others so that they can take note of it, even if you decide not to.

 

[Lucylou]

well put

 

[Betta_luver]

If the tank is over stocked who gives a damn? As long as the water changes are done often enough the tank should not suffer. Test you water often and do plenty of water changes and all will be fine.

Your tank is amazing! I wish I could make such a great tank! Crongrats on your accomplishment.

Edited because: I can't spell

 

[DarkEntity]

If the tank is over stocked who gives a damn? As long as the water changes are done often enough the tank should not suffer. Test you water often and do plenty of water changes and all will be fine.

Your tank is amazing! I wish I could make such a great tank! Crongrats on your accomplishment.

Edited because: I can't spell

Thats possibly the stupidest response you could have put. No one should condone overstocking of tanks to that extent. This problem is well documented with idiots cramming Betta into stupid tiny jars and tanks, it shouldnt be transferred to other fish aswell.

If you know nothing about the species dont post a response. The size of the tank isnt the only problem, its becuase the fish in it are very aggressive. Also there is the problem that Puffers all have a very low tolerance to bad water quality.

 

[Fate2006]

thank you for the complement on the tank... and like I said in the first post I was 100% aware of the overstocking... that tank was set-up 2 days ago and since then I've already done 2 50% water changes... like betta and a few others said, as long as I have extra filtration and dop water changes often and test the water everything should be fine... and as of now it is! I test the water daily to make sure everything is fine, which it is. No agression is being shown in the tank and everything is fine...



Edited to say:

Dark, first off that isn't the stupidest post, pointing over an overstocked tank, when the I ,the OP, already knows that. Another stupid thing is saying that I asked for advice here... I did not ask for any advice within this thread, yes I did in other threads, and if you read all of the other threads you'll find one that has a person explaining that he/she has 3 DP's in a 5.5gallon tank and everything is fine. I'm well aware of the risk I took and I have a back up plan... Saying that the tank is overstocked and not suited as a home for my DPs is your opinions, not mine... That's like saying that you can't have an arowana in a 120gallon tank and use that as a grow out tank because the fish gets too large. I'm certain Cane would agree that ,yes although a 210G tank would be better, a 120G grow out tank is fine... another thing, don't act so high and mighty, I'm certain you've overstocked a tank atleast once so don't act like you know everything that happens in this world... You just hide behind your computer screens and take joy in telling others that they're stupid for overstocking a tank... Sorry to say but get a life...

 

[stang1]

I'm glad everything is fine for you but just be aware that this could change overnight. My DPs were fine for ages and then they suddenly had a go at each other.

 

[t1tanrush]

I agree with Daz, we are only looking of for the wellbeing of your fish which is why you are here asking questions in the first place.If someone came on here saying how do you like my dog in a little cage or something there wouldnt be any of these just be nice comments.People would be outraged(unless they hated dogs or something).I dont care if you just asked for people opinion on the tank look, people are more interested in the wellbeing of your fish.The one that died may have been sick in the shop but its more likely it died from stress from being bullied by its tankmates due to the tank being too small for these aggressive little fish.

Since when is the only way to care for fish, the way you found on an internet forum? Sure there are some good guidelines and people who have kept them, but its not laid in stone. You have no idea about the well being of the fish, unless there is an obvious problem. Also, its not near the same as a dog in a little cage, use a correct metaphor and stop exagerating. You can't say anything about why the fish died either, so please...

Ffs, cant anyone be nice?

Seriously, this is all I am seeing on this forum. Its such a turn off.

He maybe over stoked, but gee, you dont have to treat him like an peice of poo.

Some of you may just need to get lives and stop picking on people through a god damn computer...

Would you speak to someone like that in real life..I highly doubt it, and dont bother saying you would, because thats just bull.

This is not just about being overstocked, it's about coming on here, asking for advice and then blatently ignoring it. to me that is an insult. If you aren't going to listen to advice, don't ask for it, and certainly don't expect those you consulted with to condone your actions.

If someone came up to me in real life, asked me a question and I went to the trouble of recounting experience and knowledge on what is the best course of action and they dismissed it out of hand to do what I said they shouldn't, then yes, I would call them an idiot. I would expect someone else to do the same to me if I acted that stupidly as well.

That is not "bull", just how life is. Just because you couldn't have the courage of your own convictions to confront someone in real life does not mean others do not.

Put it in a different way. If you ask a car mechanic if you car needs diesel or petrol and he says diesel, when you take the car to him becuase it's broke and you point out you put perol in he will call you an idiot.

I agree with Daz 100%, the fish should always come first and if you ask people if they like your tank and you state whats in it people who know about stocking levels and compatability will mention it.

Daz is going over the top, making it seem like he knows everything about these fish, exactly how to keep them perfectly and in every case of each individual fish.

If the tank is over stocked who gives a damn? As long as the water changes are done often enough the tank should not suffer. Test you water often and do plenty of water changes and all will be fine.

Your tank is amazing! I wish I could make such a great tank! Crongrats on your accomplishment.

Edited because: I can't spell

Thats possibly the stupidest response you could have put. No one should condone overstocking of tanks to that extent. This problem is well documented with idiots cramming Betta into stupid tiny jars and tanks, it shouldnt be transferred to other fish aswell.

If you know nothing about the species dont post a response. The size of the tank isnt the only problem, its becuase the fish in it are very aggressive. Also there is the problem that Puffers all have a very low tolerance to bad water quality.

Its not overstocking to some, each people have different preferances. Some things are obviously wrong (goldfish in a bowl) some aren't. In this case, its not very overstocked, if its working for him great, and he's got the extra setups for emergencies. Also, the response was great. Sorry, you along with daz, do not know it all.

I'm glad everything is fine for you but just be aware that this could change overnight. My DPs were fine for ages and then they suddenly had a go at each other.

In case you lacked the ability to read, he said he had extra setups.

Fate, my post got missed on page 2, sorry that you missed it.

Rest- Leave him alone, some of us are getting very sick of your know it all attitudes claiming you know whats best for his fish. Please, either compliment on the TANK like he asked, or don't speak at all.