Look at this crappy set up petsmart is selling

[Ethos]

I think with 3 minuets of walking home from the store, it would be dead...

Do they really have a law in europe that you can't sell a tank thats under 10Gs?
Then how do all the betta poeple get bowls and such?
Do they burry the bowls in cocane>?

 

[John_Nicholson]

The boot one is over the top but the other one would work fine as long as the water changes were kept up.

-john

 

[SRC]

People will make and sell anything that other people will buy...to make money.

You might as well get used to it..because that will never change. All you can do is voice your concerns and tell as many people as you can why they shouldn't buy those type products. (you'd be surprised at how many people wouldn't think that set up it bad (ie the disco ball one)
Making absurd gestures and comments doesn't do that though. You need to have a serious attitude to get any kind of serious response from someone you are trying to get a point across to.

OMG!!! like those are so like totally stupid, the fish will go blind.

Oh my, that is not a good setup at all for a fish. A fish needs a more calm, natural environment to be healthy and happy, I doubt that would be the case in that setup. That is also just way to small, I'm sure the fish would be miserable.

You tell me which sounds more serious.

I don't agree with not selling anything under 10 gallons. Sorry, I don't want a bunch of 10 gallon tanks sitting around my home/office...that is a little over the top. Not to mention that it would look SO messy and cluttered. Maybe selling only 1+ gallons...nothing under 1 gallon would be a tad more realistic approach...and not all bettas appreciate that much space..it really disturbs alot of them and can actually make them ill.

A 1.5gallon bowl with a male OR female betta, a plant, snail, and lid is not a bad setup at all...alot of people on this board (myself included) have and do keep bettas in 1 gallon bowls..so a 1.5 is actually a tad better.

That boot one and the purses...should speak for themselves. Honestly I can't believe people are dumb enough to actually buy those...but then again you've got soem really dumb people out there...so really nothing this day and time should surprise me lol.

 

[OohFeeshy]

Don't complain to Petsmart. Complain direct to the manufacturers Petsmart has to sell what sells, they can't change the product description because its not true I wrote a thread about complaining, I'll mebbe dig it up

 

[The-Wolf]

America should have the law like in Europe, no tanks under 10 gallons should be sold.

I don't know about the rest of Europe but you can buy tanks unger 10g in the UK

 

[John_Nicholson]

A 10 gallon tank minimum tank size is irrational in some cases. One case is with male bettas. They simply do not need that much room. If you want to put yours in a tank that size then great but most people would not. For people that have a lot of fish it would be impractical. Another case has to do with killifish. The vast majority can be spawned in containers as small as 2 gallons. I ofter put a male and 3 to 4 females in a 5 gallon tank. They simply do not need that much room.

-john

 

[OohFeeshy]

A 10 gallon tank minimum tank size is irrational in some cases. One case is with male bettas. They simply do not need that much room. If you want to put yours in a tank that size then great but most people would not. For people that have a lot of fish it would be impractical. Another case has to do with killifish. The vast majority can be spawned in containers as small as 2 gallons. I ofter put a male and 3 to 4 females in a 5 gallon tank. They simply do not need that much room.

-john

They don't need it, but will do better with it. You don't need to live in a house, but you prefer to . Unless you live in a cardboard box or something. Just because they can live in something, doesn't mean they should. Keeping fish isn't about how many you can squeeze into the smallest space.

 

[John_Nicholson]

Ok set emotion aside and give we one reason they are better in the bigger tank.

-john

 

[jungle king]

ok just because they have plastic fish in things like that don't mean that real fish can

 

[Naughtygirlrlw]

John, What is your definition of bigger?

 

[OohFeeshy]

Ok set emotion aside and give we one reason they are better in the bigger tank.

-john

More room to swim, therefore more exercise, stronger, happier (ie. actually swim around instead of laying aroung, floating around etc.), better scope for decorations (more planting, caves, etc.), better water quality overall (more stable), easier to heat.... Amongst other things. For juvies (ie, 3 months, from a breeder), a larger tank is far better as they are more active and inquisitive.

 

[John_Nicholson]

Ok set emotion aside and give we one reason they are better in the bigger tank.

-john

More room to swim, therefore more exercise, stronger, happier (ie. actually swim around instead of laying aroung, floating around etc.), better scope for decorations (more planting, caves, etc.), better water quality overall (more stable), easier to heat.... Amongst other things. For juvies (ie, 3 months, from a breeder), a larger tank is far better as they are more active and inquisitive.

So should I clear out one of my 120 gallon discus growout tanks for a single male betta? So far you have offered no proof. Just your feelings. Also a large tank does not always mean better water quality. If we change 100% of the water daily in a 1/2 gallon or smaller container and you change your 1 gallon tank once a week our fish will have much better water quality then yours. The lack of activity that you mentioned point more to bad water then anything else.

-john

 

[WILDER]

More room to swim, therefore more exercise, stronger, happier (ie. actually swim around instead of laying aroung, floating around etc.), better scope for decorations (more planting, caves, etc.), better water quality overall (more stable), easier to heat.... Amongst other things. For juvies (ie, 3 months, from a breeder), a larger tank is far better as they are more active and inquisitive.


I agree with him they do need room to exercise and keep healthy, i think i would put one in a 10gal with a few corys at the bottom, plus water quality more stable, that's why i have never had any betta's as i would wan't them to be happy in a larger tank, and i think larger tanks size shows them off better, then looking rather pathetic in small bowls, but this is just my opion so no offense meant.

 

[John_Nicholson]

No offense taken in any of this. I am still looking for something other them feelings though. I am basing my opinion on personal experience. I bred my first bettas in the early 80's. My 11 year old has somewhere between 200 and 300 currently. Some of these fish will live their entire lives in our fishroom in containers that would cause some of ya'll to stroke out. They also get daily water changes and very good food. The better ones will even get to spawn...... Hard to beat that.

-john

 

[OohFeeshy]

So should I clear out one of my 120 gallon discus growout tanks for a single male betta?

If you like

So far you have offered no proof. Just your feelings.

Hmm... Well, even if I presented a hypothesis on it you'd say that, so no matter to me. But unless you've invented a range of Harry Potter style decorations that on the outside are teeny weeny but are a 3 bedroom apartment complex on the inside, a 1/2g tank can't support anything particularly interesting or provide much cover deco-wise. Also you can't put a heater and thermostat in a 1/2g tank either So thats not just a feeling.

Also a large tank does not always mean better water quality.

True. But conditions are more stable in larger tanks. A dop of ammonia is obviously going to be far more lethal in a 1g tank than a 100g tank.

If we change 100% of the water daily in a 1/2 gallon or smaller container and you change your 1 gallon tank once a week our fish will have much better water quality then yours.

Again, true. Although that also depends on your tap water- if you have nitrates of 100, then no amount of water changes is going to shift that. However, water quality isn't the only issue- you can keep a 12'' oscar in a 2ft tank and change the water 100% every day, but thats not a good tank, is it?

The lack of activity that you mentioned point more to bad water then anything else.

No, not really. My blue HM, for instance. Started in a 1.5g tank. Very inactive, laying on the bottom or just floating at the top. I changed the water every day for two weeks, and put some anti internal bacteria meds in. Still nothing. Finally, pretty miffed none of this was woring, put the danios in the 15g and divided the 20g into two, with the HM on one side and the dragon ct cross on the other side. Well, what a change. Still not as active as the dragon, but a major improvement. Swimming laps around the bogwood, albeit slowly but actually swimming for a change. And flaring too.

I agree with him

Pfft, him What nonsense of which you speak