Fine, have a nice journey in this hobby. I have tried to help you, but at this stage you think because of your research you know more, that is good. Just start keeping your fish alive.
Is history repeating itself?
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I don't deny you know way more than me... You are a better fish keeper... But sometimes you can be a jerk.... There I said it... And I don't mean that in a bad way but sometimes I feel like you try to rub stuff in and it hurts... Like making me feel like I killed my fish... Not cool... Or sometimes you can be a little arrogant with your knowledge... And I want to know what you habe learned... But try to be kinder with your choice of words...
You don't listen. If you listened, I wouldn't be a jerk. Face it you are trying to keep an extremely complicated fish on your first outing. Please learn how to walk before you run. You will succeed in this hobby, but you need to take your time and learn the basics well, then the challenges will be more rewarding.
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Ok, I will ask you this and hopefully we both learned something from this "argument"... what can I do to improve the lives of these fish that is reasonable and that I can do immediately and non-expensively? I can't feed them something different right now, I can't add anymore fish cause they'll die apparently... So what now... Hmm
You now take a deep breath and enjoy your fish, feed them observe their behavior and learn from them, they are great. Sit in front of your tank and get to know them, understand what makes them tick. Then moving on you will know what to do next.
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@Rocky998 ....please do not get so frustrated
The issue here is that you stated in another thread that you would wait a month or two before replacing the fish. You then got all in a panic over some legislation that might never get into the statute books and went ahead with replacing the fish without really thinking about how the existing fish would react.
@itiwhetu and many others, myself included, have watched you gradually build up your aquarium well only for one stupid mistake and a rushed mistake turn everything upside down. He is furious with you and I guess many of us are cos you asked for advice but never took it, so of course he will display his frustration at you for that.......he is absolutely right that the fish depend on you 100%, they cannot tell you if there is anything wrong or if they are uncomfortable or scared, you have to learn every aspect of these animals...not just how to care for them, not just how to maintain their habitat but to learn about their emotional and physical needs and that includes not moving new fish into the same territory right after another has died.
Think of it as where you live and someone replaced a relative of yours and you had no say or opportunity to get ready for it...you would not be happy, you would not be welcoming
A dog will bite you when it is angry at you
A fish that has established its territory and then a new fish of the same species just bounces on in there and starts taking over territory is going to be met with a certain amount of dislike and often violence
At the end of the day you are responsible for researching the fish, their behaviour, their warning signs, their body language...not just the basic weekly maintenance routines.
This has been a very important lesson in how not to run an aquarium and how not to panic buy......cos yes, it cost you financially but you will get that money back in a few months....the fish doesn't have that luxury, your haste in replacing it cost it it's life.
You are going to have to suck it up when people get frustrated with you, not just in this but in life generally. Mess things up and people will not hesitate to tell you and if, like this it is mostly your own fault, accept it, learn from it and don't repeat it.
The issue here is that you stated in another thread that you would wait a month or two before replacing the fish. You then got all in a panic over some legislation that might never get into the statute books and went ahead with replacing the fish without really thinking about how the existing fish would react.
@itiwhetu and many others, myself included, have watched you gradually build up your aquarium well only for one stupid mistake and a rushed mistake turn everything upside down. He is furious with you and I guess many of us are cos you asked for advice but never took it, so of course he will display his frustration at you for that.......he is absolutely right that the fish depend on you 100%, they cannot tell you if there is anything wrong or if they are uncomfortable or scared, you have to learn every aspect of these animals...not just how to care for them, not just how to maintain their habitat but to learn about their emotional and physical needs and that includes not moving new fish into the same territory right after another has died.
Think of it as where you live and someone replaced a relative of yours and you had no say or opportunity to get ready for it...you would not be happy, you would not be welcoming
A dog will bite you when it is angry at you
A fish that has established its territory and then a new fish of the same species just bounces on in there and starts taking over territory is going to be met with a certain amount of dislike and often violence
At the end of the day you are responsible for researching the fish, their behaviour, their warning signs, their body language...not just the basic weekly maintenance routines.
This has been a very important lesson in how not to run an aquarium and how not to panic buy......cos yes, it cost you financially but you will get that money back in a few months....the fish doesn't have that luxury, your haste in replacing it cost it it's life.
You are going to have to suck it up when people get frustrated with you, not just in this but in life generally. Mess things up and people will not hesitate to tell you and if, like this it is mostly your own fault, accept it, learn from it and don't repeat it.
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Well I kinda know both of their attitudes and what their personalities are like... I just need names
...Just asking... What made you cha be your mind and say: "They are great"... I thought you were the one that said they were on deaths edge and those two died cause of tank issues... I wasn't saying that it a sarcastic way I'm sincerely just wondering...
The two-living fish are fine and have a great life, no doubt about it. Just spend time with them now and enjoyWell I kinda know both of their attitudes and what their personalities are like... I just need names
Just asking... What made you cha be your mind and say: "They are great"... I thought you were the one that said they were on deaths edge and those two died cause of tank issues... I wasn't saying that it a sarcastic way I'm sincerely just wondering...
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Well I at first was joking about getting the fish due to the bill... But then I started to feel like I should... I brought it up and it felt like the members were ok with it... Then I saw the gudgeons at the store and now I feel horrible... I was under the impression that these were peaceful fish... One of the members that have owned them a lot said that they are super peaceful... So I felt really good getting another...
And its ok to be frustrated at me... I'm ok with it... In fact be mad at me, I don't care... Just don't attack me
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Ok. Thanks... So I shouldn't add any fish until about 3 months down the line? I'm unsure when I can... And do you think it will ever be possible to add on to the gudgeons or should I not even think about adding on?
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You will only get yelled at (or attacked as you put it) when it is blatently obvious that you are not listening to advice given and going ahead with what you want to do regardless.
As you get older sunshine, you'll learn alot of different things in life by listening. Best start as a youngster to not be so impulsive when buying things cos it will get you into a whole heap of poo one day.
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Yeah... I've learnt before not to impulse buy... But I didn't exactly impulse buy the fish... I saw it and it took literally 30 minutes to decide... And it was horrible cause I thought I was doing the right thing by evening out the group... Guess I didn't do the "correct" resesrch...
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Don't be in such a rush to add new fish
Fishkeeping is not about adding new fish or how soon to add new fish.......just enjoy what you have and ignore the compulsion to "must add more fish"
Enjoy the fish that you have, keep up your maintenance properly.....stay away from anyone selling or giving away fish cos you know now after this failure that adding new fish just ain't going to work out well whether it is next week, next month or next year.
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I wasn't rushed to get fish until that bill was made... It makes my stomach turn thinking that I may not be able to add anything more. And the way my brain works... I always love to have an approximate time on anything... No matter what...
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Hey matey...you saw that new proposed legislation and went into full on panic/impulse buying mode
Slow down. Enthusiasm for the pastime is awesome but you also have to measure it carefully and be sensible.
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