Take your time now, you will know when it is right to add more fish, because your observation of the fish you have and the research you have done will tell you.
Is history repeating itself?
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Well the original plan was to buy two more peacock gudgeons and see how that played out. Maybe there was a bit of an impulse but I argued with myself in my head at the store so much lol
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Or the bill gets passed and then the government says I have no more fish 
... But seriously I am going to be waiting a while... I won't get any new fish until these fish are fully grown and mature
... But seriously I am going to be waiting a while... I won't get any new fish until these fish are fully grown and mature
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Forget that legislation
The US has a habit of making new legislation and then allowing individual States to make up their own minds as to whether or not they will abide by it.
Unless you actually see it in black and white as being passed and that your State will adopt it in its entirety...FORGET IT!
The US has a habit of making new legislation and then allowing individual States to make up their own minds as to whether or not they will abide by it.
Unless you actually see it in black and white as being passed and that your State will adopt it in its entirety...FORGET IT!
I think this is all to do with covid, and it will give them control over animal movements across states, if they see a virus in a species.
Axelrod isn't the best source, as he rarely actually owned fish. He speculated a lot with newly arrived fish, as Tateurndina were at the time, making educated guesses about what their needs would be. They were very educated guesses, but he generalized and was wrong a fair bit. He published a lot and didn't always take the time or consult others. He was his own editor as the owner of the publishing company, and we see from some of the youtubers and online fish sites that doesn't always work as a system.. I worked for his magazine, by the way.
The old books are rarely outdated except for changes in classification and Latin names brought on by research, especially DNA. I still consult the Baensch atlases regularly when people ask questions I'm unsure of. Those books were collaborations with skilled hobbyists.
Peacock gudgeons aren't really hard fish - it's a matter of dealing with territory needs. We all have to go through the learning curve with identifying diseases and healthy fish at the store, researching what fish need in advance, etc. I don't see any problem with what the OP did here, except it went wrong. There is an added layer compared to Rasboras, but they could have gone wrong too. I've seen a number of beginners, especially those who started by attending clubs with their auctions, buy difficult fish at the outset. If they were willing to ask questions, do the reading and avoid adding inappropriate tankmates, most of them did really well, and their fish had long and healthy lives.
Those people often stuck with the hobby over time because they couldn't approach their tanks passively. They did what was needed for the good of their fish, and that opens your eyes.
I'm an experienced aquarist who has tried to breed peacock gudgeons three times, and have had zero success. It's one of those fish for me - it should be easy, but. I know several new aquarists who bought small groups and were bringing juveniles to the club auctions in next to no time. Jealous? Yeah, a bit, but intelligent people learn fast, and this'll all work out.
Fantastic advice, thank you for interjecting!
The only thing I think @Rocky998 did "wrong" here (and I'm not trying to berate you or judge you here Rocky, I promise!) is not setting up his QT tank for new fish, and a place or alternative like a breeder box to separate the fish once things started to go wrong - but that's a mistake most of us learned the hard way, whether through an experience like this, or through a sickness passing into our tank. Not something to berate or bash him over.
I've said it here several times and I'll say it again, that I doubt there is a fishkeeper alive who hasn't made a mistake that was fatal to one or more fish. There is such a steep learning curve in this hobby that never ends, and many ways for disaster to strike. Whether someone is willing to admit to their mistakes in public and learn from them means a lot, and Rocky certainly seems willing and able to learn! But people are much less likely to seek advice and admit to fatal mistakes if they are then raked over the coals for them. Especially a beginner, and even more so when that beginner is very young. Seeing experienced, much older hobbyists berate beginners to the hobby for not already knowing everything makes me sad, and ashamed to be part of the hobby at times. It's not a way that encourages sharing and learning, and doesn't save fishes lives either.
You'll learn from this Rocky. While of course it's important not to be flippant about the lives lost and to accept responsibility, it's also important to know that you're not alone in having situations like this happen, that it's actually very common in the hobby, and to take what lessons you can from it so you can hopefully have a better outcome next time. I'm sorry for your loss, and hope that you're doing okay.
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I think I did know it was my fault all along... But it was just the way he put it that put me down bit... And the last time I got a bit upset and I do apologize... New day, new beginnings
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I don't blame you at all for being upset. But you're right, new day, new beginnings!
Those are beautiful fish, I can see why you chose them! Definitely think some more plants are in order though... but then I'm biased since I love a heavily planted tank
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I lile a minimalist look but I am looking at getting more plants to break up the view... They have three caves.... T.H.R.E.E! Why cant they just go in their little caves or stay on opposite sides if they dont want to hang outI don't blame you at all for being upset. But you're right, new day, new beginnings!
Those are beautiful fish, I can see why you chose them! Definitely think some more plants are in order though... but then I'm biased since I love a heavily planted tank
I lile a minimalist look but I am looking at getting more plants to break up the view... They have three caves.... T.H.R.E.E! Why cant they just go in their little caves or stay on opposite sides if they dont want to hang out
Ah but it isn't about the look we like, it's about what the fish need, remember?
If a certain look for the tank is important to you, then you need to choose fish that are also okay with that sort of environment.
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Yah, but I thought that sense they were "peaceful" that they would be ok... I have a lot of rocks, 2 semi large pieces of driftwood, 3 anubias plants and a ton of java ferns... I just dont understand why they cant make peace... I am adding new plants though... Ive been looking into amazon swords amd root tabs... For some reason I dont like crypts much but I'm trying to like them and find a place for emAh but it isn't about the look we like, it's about what the fish need, remember?
Here's something I take away from this as a guy who loves watching animal behaviour. It's dead easy to set up a tank for ourselves, but it does get boring since there's nothing to do once we have it running. But setting up for the fish, adapting to them instead of expecting them to adapt to us, is way more fun. That is, if for you fun is a challenge, of course!Ah but it isn't about the look we like, it's about what the fish need, remember?
A good tank isn't static. It unfolds over time and we get to try to push it in the right way, all the while getting to research the habitats the fish we like come from. Figuring out the right directions is a good exercise that teaches you a lot. I need to successfully breed Tateurndina, just because I'd like to. That will be a nice project once I get set up.
They can, but on their terms. They're probably looking out while you look in thinking "Why can't this person get the set up right so we don't have to look at each other when we don't want to!"
There's no reason why you can't - it's just being creative and figuring out how. Are the caves too big? Can they see into them from other caves? Are the sightlines broken? Where are the rocks placed....
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