Very long mouth rot

The water looks green there.

How often are you doing water changes and what percentage is changed?

Is there sufficient aeration to create plenty of surface water movement?

As the fish are from varying sources the issues are likely to be in your water, maybe contaminated supply or insufficient clean water or oxygen which can make fish ill, or make them more susceptible to pathogens.
Because most of the sick fish already display external symptoms upon arrival, and newly sick fish only become sick when housed together with another sick fish, I don't think water in my house is the issue. If water were the issue, it would have to be region-dependent. Often, fish are shipped from several hundreds of miles away. The water could be the issue.

This is day 2 after arrival. I started the tank yesterday, adding bacteria that cycles the tank within same day. I am planning to change water every 2 days to completely replace kanamycin and furan. The furan I am using turns the water green. I am adding an air stone bubbler no sponge filter in case this turns out to be TB because TB is difficult to eliminate once settled on rough surface, and also because I don't expect cycle to be established with antibiotics being present. It's possible that the bacteria I added initially was killed by antibiotic releasing endotoxins that stressed the fish. It may have been a smart decision to perform full water change before adding antibiotic.

It would also have been best to separate the pair for antibiotics treatment instead of cohouse. One would think that two strong antibiotics would stop disease transmission but maybe they didn't.
 
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Still utterly puzzled by all those killies turning anorexic/floating/jaws melting.
The primary trigger is for sure stress-shipping, bullying, adding medicine, moving into hospital tank- things you would never ever expect a healthy fish to fall ill from. It got chased by alpha male -> stops eating floats and dies. I mean, wut.

Again I have kept this thread running for far longer than I wanted, which is good, but here is the real question-
Should I keep the eggs or throw them out? @GaryE @Fishfunn
I'm going to give away the parents for adoption if they ever recover so that way I don't have to risk transferring disease to my other tanks.
 
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This one's a puzzlement. Like @GaryE , I have kept killies for decades and never ran into a single case like this. In fact the only mouth melt I've ever encountered was on a newly imported batch of wild Nannostomus beckfordi. Two indviduals out of 24 had it and died quickly. I'm also saddened that anyone would sell a fish with this condition. I wish I could offer counsel but after reading the entire thread I'm just sitting here shaking my head.
 
This one's a puzzlement. Like @GaryE , I have kept killies for decades and never ran into a single case like this.
Discarded the eggs!

What happened could be, either infected with a nasty bacteria/virus in the wild, or TB from the seller.
From now on, for killies I will only use Ebay to obtain dry eggs from overseas, if that's possible.
 
Both passed; the female recovered from mouth rot (tip turns black) and jaw never melted but developed bloat, a lot of coelom fluid and gut was bloodshot. Male never had any external body surface symptom but developed bloat.

Surely a case of acute TB. What I tried was a combination of kanamycin, sulfa, and furan drug. Bloat would worsen a little bit more each day. I would add high dose kan every night to replace the degraded portions, and then one night I decided to not add it since it is a waste of antibiotic, they were both dead by the next morning. What a huge waste of money :(
 
The only luck I had treating and stopping the columnaris disease was by using a copper medication like Seachem Cupramine. Unfortunately, copper treatment was the only thing that stopped the deaths for me and was always my last line of defense that worked. Fish that already had visible infections could not be saved, but the others were saved from future infections. If you research, you will find copper as a treatment for columnaris.

This is a good article on columnaris: http://fisharticle.com/fish-columnaris/
 
The only luck I had treating and stopping the columnaris disease was by using a copper medication like Seachem Cupramine. Unfortunately, copper treatment was the only thing that stopped the deaths for me and was always my last line of defense that worked. Fish that already had visible infections could not be saved, but the others were saved from future infections. If you research, you will find copper as a treatment for columnaris.

This is a good article on columnaris: http://fisharticle.com/fish-columnaris/
That is interesting, but how would copper stop an internal infection? One would think that if a fish had no visible infection, then the infection would be internal. I am also not so sure why these symptoms would be diagnosed as columnaris; all of what I have seen so far are non-specific and could easily be attributed to other bacteria, such as fish mb or aeromonas, or even both.

Anyway killies and untreatable bacterial infections seem to be a thing. Maybe a very nasty bacteria is endemic to them, in modern medicine one would not suddenly end up in the hospital by moving to a different environment.
 
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Anyway killies and untreatable bacterial infections seem to be a thing. Maybe a very nasty bacteria is endemic to them, in modern medicine one would not suddenly end up in the hospital by moving to a different environment.
They would seem to be a thing in your aquariums. You're speculating off a very tiny sample.

I suspect you need to look at what is going wrong in your set up. I would look at over medication to start - I have never needed antibiotics for a killie species, and you are using them with abandon. I would also look at diet, temperature and maintenance regimes, and if you decide to stay with killie keeping, eliminate each possibility methodically before jumping to conclusions.

In my larger sample, killies have been remarkably free of bacterial infections. The only major issues have been parasites - Camallanus once in 35 years, and ongoing issues with Oodinium parasites - easily treated if you spot them. The issues you're having with generally hardy little fish are quite remarkable.
 
They would seem to be a thing in your aquariums. You're speculating off a very tiny sample.

I suspect you need to look at what is going wrong in your set up. I would look at over medication to start - I have never needed antibiotics for a killie species, and you are using them with abandon. I would also look at diet, temperature and maintenance regimes, and if you decide to stay with killie keeping, eliminate each possibility methodically before jumping to conclusions.

In my larger sample, killies have been remarkably free of bacterial infections. The only major issues have been parasites - Camallanus once in 35 years, and ongoing issues with Oodinium parasites - easily treated if you spot them. The issues you're having with generally hardy little fish are quite remarkable.
I have only been adding antibiotics to treat fish with confirmed external signs of infection, and for ones that do not yet show external signs but are lethargic, I isolate them first (to prevent disease transmission).

So, for the clown killies and lampeyes I have tried a range of temperatures from 20~26 degrees C. I have found them to behave best at 24 degrees C, being most active without raising temperature too much. The clown killies seem to do fine at a slightly lower temperature as well, but there is more flashing below 24 degrees C.

For diet, I am feeding twice a day, each time with 1:1 ratio of flake and brine shrimp at 2% body weight (because bbs is mostly water, I tend to feed them more). In 1 out of every 3 feedings I grow out the bbs and enrich with fatty acid, amino acid, probiotics, and algae. I am not sure if this is necessary. There is on average 2 or 3 pieces of poop per fish per day.

I have been maintaining the tank with 30~40% water change per week, and have recently switched to a canister filter, making alterations to shower pipes to create very gentle water flow. I am planning to clean the filter every 3 months. Before, it was a hang in back filter with mat replaced every week and biological filter not cleaned at all (for about 6 months). During each water change, feces is vaccumed, and half of aquarium glass is wiped with sponge and water surface biofilm is scooped with a jug. I do not mess with the canister filter.

While there is not much ammonia or nitrate or nitrite (everything is below detection limit), plants appear to grow very fast, and there is not algae or worm, so I think the cycle is established fine.
Tank 1 has 14 annulatus in 56L, 10 are born from 4 parents (initially had 16, 2 dead)
Tank 2 has 6 annulatus in 80L, all born from 4 parents in tank 1 (no apparent disease history)
Tank 3 has 6 lampeye in 12L (no apparent disease history)
Tank 4 had 2 aphys in 7L (both dead; also tank had no plants only fake decorations)
Each tank has stable pH of 6.8 and GH 40ppm, just straight tap water with chlorine and heavy metals being treated

Sorry for typing out a novel with every single detail- I really want to find out what I am doing incorrectly, what's totally unnecessary etc. bc it's my first fish. To prevent contamination among the tanks, I use separate equipments and buckets to perform water changes, and water changes are always performed on different days. After performing a water change, I immediately sterilize equipments and take shower myself. After handling each tank, I spray relevant areas with isopropanol, and each time I touch anything that goes to the tank, I wash my hand with soap and rinse thoroughly. When I introduce a new fish to a new tank, I assume that the water is full of disease. I have equipments dedicated to new introductions and wear gloves such that my hands will never come in contact with the water in such tank. Sterilizations are done with 10% bleach 1 hr followed by isopropanol spray/wipe followed by water rinse, with equipments sure to contact with disease a 2nd bleach sterilization is done and porous objects being trashed

I would be curious to find out which of these steps might be unnecessary, or if I need to be doing even more, etc.

Also, it may be helpful to mention that 6/10 fish that died were anorexic and remained anorexic literally minutes after being introduced to the tank (no chemical being present), 2/10 fish became anorexic within days of being housed with one of these 6 fish. For the other 2/10 sick fish (both clown killies), 1 became anorexic after being bullied and 1 became anorexic for no apparent reason. The first sign of disease has always been anorexia, and in 9/10 of these cases, no drugs were present in the tank when fish started to exhibit anorexia.

A bit more detail on the above 2 clown killies that died were,
1- Bullied and then turned anorexic at 3 months old, exhibited a lot of flashing and darting, dashing, cured by formalin. Formalin could not cure the anorexia and died within a week in hospital quarantine (December)
2- Turned anorexic for no reason at 3 months old, exhibit no flashing and survived for 1 month in high dose kanamycin, at late stages showed darting and jerking movement cured with formalin. However formalin could not cure anorexia and died soon afterwards with a melted jaw (February)

I think because we all have different experiences with different tank set-ups, so I want to also hear if others have suggestions as to what I should change, not change etc.

As for speculations- when I speculate that killifish may be susceptible to incurable bacterial infection, it is not based on my experience (because I have only obtained 3 species from 3 sources). Rather, Dr. B killifish section of disease book mentions that killifish are susceptible to bacterial infection (I bought this book, because I am a fan of his videos and I think his diagnosis is very reliable), and also based on what is written on the website of killifish association of my country of residence. When I speak to different people their experiences are sometimes conflicting. Because I think very little actual evidence is present, with most being anecdotal, many different speculations can be possible.

As a side note, I completely agree that killifish are tough fish. I have seen a clown killie recover (apparently completely) from wasting disease and being moribund for weeks. They have very strong immune system. Many killie "experts" whom I have spoken (I have been doing a great deal of research after getting the aphys) mentioned to me that wild killies are extremely difficult to keep in captivity and cannot recover once they experienced bacterial infection due to change in water parameter. (Just because I have spoken to them of course does not mean I believe them)

3/17 Update: I got a new pair of wild A. cognatum from a different store, this one being a fish store that sells expensive fish. It arrived in warm water and I was being super sloppy acclimating them (on purpose) and was pretty much doing everything that the store owner told me not to do. These feed just fine. While they arrived with anchor worms, THAT can be dealt with, and I'm just so happy that for once they didn't arrive with random mouth bumps 😭 I think I'm going to have to do everything wearing gloves now so as not to contaminate, though I don't really know if that's necessary since I don't really have much experience.
 
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