I Finally Bit The Bullet And Added The Ammonia, Cycling Started...

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5-6-15 day 11
ammonia 0ppm (back down from last nights 1ppm after snack dose)
nitrite down a tad to 2.0
 
I love hearing every time a member here gets through a successful cycle because they followed the article here. There used to be a whole lot of threads on the site by member who had all sorts of issues trying to cycle. I do not see many of these any more. In the end, if I can help new keepers get their tanks going with minimal stress and they end up with a fish safe tank, then I am a happy camper too.
 
You are very close to adding the next full ammonia dose, all you are waiting for is for the nitrite to drop under 1 ppm, the ammonia level is already where it needs to be. My guess is you will not see ammonia last 24 hours now after you put in 3 ppm. All you are waiting for is for the the nitrite bacs to hit full strength. They should do so now with one or maybe 2 more full ammonia doses. You are about a week from being fully cycled, maybe less.
 
The nice part about things is they accelerate. It's like riding a bike over a hill, the first part is a slog and the back side is a breeze.
 
I'm glad to hear you think I'm progressing well, lets hope that's still the case when I tell you what my reading is tonight:
 
5-7-15 day 12
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite I believe it's still where it was last night which appears to be 2.0 (but it's so hard to tell on the api color chart)
and looks like nitrate are coming down?! 5.0
 
does that sound right!?  I know you've said nitrite takes longer to come own than ammonia, so I may be normal there....but should the nitrate be coming down this way?!
 
The Nitrate test is actually the least accurate test, mainly due to the bottles of re-agent solutions needing to be shakeen, REALLY well, and then shaken a bit more ;)
 
I use the nitrate test as a guide more than anything to be relied upon
 
The nitrate test is one that is not to worry too much about imo, its the ammonia and nitrite thats the most important tests.
 
But you are still on track :good:
 
Awesome!!! I feel so much better!!! Thanks ch4lie!!!
 
crap...
still the same (3rd day)
 
5-8-15 day 13
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 2 (I think...hard to tell)
 
come on nitrite!!  I want dose 4!!
 
But guess what?!?!...
My assassin snail that went mia 2 full weeks ago, reappeared tonight.  Guess he was under the substrate the whole time?!  He's back under there again now.  
 
Patience
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Nitrite is the slowest to come down but when it does come down, progress will be faster ;)
 
Assassin snails do bury themselves into substrate a lot, not surpringly he has gone back down again due to the water stats, its safer under substrate for them.
 
I feel so bad that he's had to be under the substrate to get away from the cycling stuff :(
poor little guy.
 
Will test the water again tonight to see if I'm closer to dose 4...fingers crossed!
 
darn it...
looks the same...I think...
I also think I'm going blind trying to decipher the differences in the purples in the nitrite column!
 
5-9-15 day 14
ammonia 0
nitrite still a stinkin 2 (I think)  I swear it's getting lighter but it still looks the same shade of purple as 2.0
 
Is it hurting my cycle to have the ammonia at zero for so long without redosing?!  (fourth day at 0ppm ammonia).
 
I would consider adding a little more soon as you don't want the bacteria to starve.
Just try another small snack dose and see what happens, hopefully by morning ammonia will be back down to 0.0 and the bacteria will be happy for a couple more days :)
As for the nitrite not moving, dont worry yet, mine stalled for a while when i was cycling.
It should kick off soon, and when it does it will start to go quick.
As the bacteria start to multiply they will convert the nitrite at a much higher pace.
 
Thanks for the suggestion Tooombsy, I was thinking that might be the right course of action but I know everyone here says this part takes time and to be patient.
 
But I'm not sure if being patient means "don't do another snack dose" or "maybe do"?!  I don't want to starve the bacteria but I don't want to set anything back either.
 
I will wait until I test tonight and hopefully (maybe miraculously) the nitrites will be where they should be (1.0) so I can dose 4 instead of just a snack.
 
Oh boy...
 
Thanks again :)
 
Something is slightly amiss here. When both the ammonia and nitrite bac reproductiion kicks off, it starts slowly and accellerates. I should take longer for the 1st ppm to be processed than the 3rd for ammonia. For nitrite you are actually getting up towards 15 ppm but certainly over 10. It starts down slowly and moves faster the lower it gets. The final 1 or 2 ppm should go fast.
 
The fact that yours isn't say something may be amiss. I would opt for a testing error over anything else. So let me make sure of a few things.
 
1. Are you rinsing out the test tube first in tap and then in tank water (including the cap) before you take your sample?
2. Are you inverting the tube so the open end is facing down and water will not enter it when you put it into the tank. Then you should reach down mid water before you fill it so you are not taking water from the surface?
3. Are you holding the reagent solution bottle completely vertical above the tube when you add the drops?
4. Are you putting the cap on when you shake the tube as directed and not using a finger?
5. When you read the results are you placing the tube against the white portion of the card along side the color bars?
6. Are you making sure the light source is from behind you so it illuminates the bars and test tube the same?
 
If you added ammonia according to the cycling article, you cannot add enough ammonia or have enough nitrite created to stall a cycle. So the next place to look is at pH. Where is this now and has it dropped much from the start of the cycle? If it has, test the KH. If you don't have this test your local store should test a water sample for this if you bring one in.
 
I would remind folks of this part in the cycling article:
 
To get a tank cycled in a reasonable amount of time, you need to make sure that, in addition to ammonia, the bacteria will also have:
  • Lots of oxygen by keeping the surface of your water well agitated to let oxygen in.
  • Inorganic carbon (as carbonates) by keeping your KH up. Do not let it drop below 3 dg (55 ppm).
  • A good pH level by insuring it is above 6.5. The closer to 8.0 the faster the cycle will go. We do not recommend one alter their pH if it holds fairly steady anywhere between 6.8 - 8.5.
  • An optimal temperature by having a heater set to between 75F and 85F. Lower tends to slow the cycle while higher won’t make things go even faster.
 
Ohhhhhhh
I did not do #1 and #2 correctly. I rinse with tap and them sit upside down on paper towel to dry.
And I always skim the test water off the top!!
Oops!!!!

Will test properly right now!

Goodness! Thanks!!
 
Omg!!!! I'm good!!!!!
5-10-15 day 15
Testing correctly (finally) I made a few errors prior.

Ammonia 0
Nitrite .25 yay!!! (But wow I was really off)
PH 7.5 (right in between normal and high range)

Dose 4!!!!!!!
 
This is a great example of how easy it is to make a simple mistake and get a false reading. Testing for parameters is about consistency and following instructions but in our excitment we sometimes forget to do a few basic things.
 
I have made mistakes in the past too in terms of testing water kit and it does pays to double check you are doing things correctly.
 
But anyway, nice to see some results that makes sense
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