I Finally Bit The Bullet And Added The Ammonia, Cycling Started...

That is not neurotic, that is smart. I wish everyone would keep a good record during cycling. It is a process and knowing all the steps somebody has taken makes it a heck of a lot easier to figure out what is going on if there are problems.
 
As silly as it looks with all the colors and manic notes and the fact that it's poster size... It helps a lot to look at it all.
 
I did a spreadsheet on my computer. But that's kind of what I do all day for a living so not out of the ordinary.

I wish I'd done a poster on the wall, it's a lot more interesting to look at than staring at an empty fish tank!
 
I use a TDS/Temp tester. It does the temp in C and I and an lifelong F person, So in my fish space, with all pleco tanks, I have sheets with big letters showing e  The F values for C at .5 C intervals. The only thing I seem to remember is 30C = 86F.
 
Hey guess what?!?!.....
I have Nitrates!!!
 
so as of right now:
(5-2-15 @ 9:31pm)
 
ammonia:  .25
nitrite:  above 5 (off chart)
nitrate:  5.0
 
soo....?!
 
I believe I'm waiting for the nitrites to eventually start to fall back down and I need two consecutive days of 0 ammonia readings...
then I "snack dose" dose 3.
Is that correct?!
 
Bear in mind the snack dose is 1/3 of the other doses. And for the snack dose you are normally testes every other day. This means yhe minimum amount of time that must pass sfter Dose #2 is 4 days. One tests and determines if ammonia and nitrite make it time to add Dose #2 and one does so, The next test is in 2 days and the one after that is 4 days (from when you added last). You need to see both the 2 and 4 day tests reading 0 ammonia to add the snack, If the 1st of those tests shows any level of ammonia, then the soonest one adds the snack is on day 6 - day 2 you have some ammonia, day 4 your have 0 so you need the day 6 to be 0 before you add the snack.
After the second ammonia addition (Dose #2), while waiting for nitrite to rise, peak and drop, the bacteria will need a maintenance feeding (Dose #3). Give the bacteria a “snack” by adding 1/3 of the full dose when you get two consecutive every other day ammonia test readings of 0 ppm,.
 
The reason for waiting that many days is simple. It gives time for the nitrite bacteria to be reproducing. If you have had no ammonia going in and you also have had at least 4 days of 0 ammonia readings, we know that no additional nitrite is being created and that the nitrite bacs should be multiplying and gaining mare capacity to process nitrite. This is another one of the fails safes built into the method to avoid having too much nitrite. This is done in two ways here. First, the amount of ammonia going in is controlled and second, this means the nitrite bacs are being given time to multiply. It also means diluted testing for nitrite isn't needed.
 
Of all the tests your are using, the nitrate one is the least accurate. It is particularly inaccurate between about 0 and 20 ppm. I tell folks that test is best used for directionality rather than absolute levels
 
Thank you for explaining that paragraph a bit better to me TTA... I was having a tough time digesting the "two consecutive every other day" part.
and the more I read it, the more my head hurt
 
I think every hobby kit has the same problem with the nitrate test. 2 bottles, and the second contains a powder that settles out of the liquid fairly quickly. So you have to shake the bottle til your arms are about to fall off, and even then, the reading is indicative (dark brown bad).

Having said that, you don't need to worry at this point, as long as the reading gets higher. At the end when you do a water change, nitrates should decrease to something acceptable.
 
Ok here are my last two days readings (tried to post last night but it vanished?!)
 
5-3-15 (day 8)
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite between 5.0 & 2.0
nitrate 10
 
5-4-15 (day 9)
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite between 5.0 & 2.0
nitrate between 10 & 20
 
two days of almost the same, just nitrates have gotten higher.  I think I should have noticed my nitrites come down, no?!  Well, I probably shouldn't have tested every day, it says every other but I'm too neurotic to not know.
 
so I wait for two more days of zero ammonia and lower nitrites, then I can "snack dose"?!
 
Test again today (5-5-15) and if your ammonia is again zero (which it should be) it will give you two "other day" readings (3 May and 5 May) of zero (since your 2 May reading was 0.25ppm ammonia), then you're ready for your snack dose of 1ppm ammonia.
 
This just ensures your ammonia bacs keep working and reproducing.
 
Nitrite is almost certainly coming down, since your nitrate is going up. but hobby test kits are sometimes a little hard to interpret the difference between let's say 3ppm and 2.5ppm.
 
Sounds like you're doing fine.
 
Ok so I just tested 
 
5-5-15 (day 10)
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite between 5.0 & 2.0
nitrate between 10 & 20
 
Everything is exactly the same as day 9?!  Is that weird that nitrates aren't coming down?!  Ammonia has clearly been 0 for last 3 days.
 
is it ok to do my snack dose!??
 
Sorry again for being such a baby!
 
Oh and yes, I see what you're saying (nitrites are very hard to differentiate in the 2.0 - 5.0 color range)!  true true
 
When following the cycling method here there will be things happening that do not show up on the test kits. This is especially true for nitrite. In a basic cycle with no seeding, every ppm of ammonia one adds to the tank has a maximum level of both nirite and then nitrate that can be created. These nukbers are based on using an API type kit:
 
1 ppm of ammonia can become a max. of 2.56 ppm of nitrite which can become a max of 3.46 ppm of nitrate. However, some ammonia may be lost to evaporation which would reduce the numbers.
 
In cycling the danger are too much ammonia or nitrite being in the tank. For ammonia you do not want to exceed 6.4 ppm and for nitrite the level is 16.4 ppm. Both these conditions can stall of kill of a cycle if they are exceeded. The problem is that most nitrite kits stop at 5 to 8 ppm and during the cycle nitrite will get above these levels. But we cannot see how much on a test kit that stops at 5 ppm. It is possible to do diluted testing to know the actual levels of nitrite when the test shows they are at the max. level the kit can show. But this makes life harder for folks new to fish and doing their first cycle.
 
What was done in the creation of the cycling method here was to make doing diluted testing unnecessary. If one follows the directions for doing the cycle to the letter (I.e. does not add bigger or more frequent additions of ammonia), it is not possible to have either too much ammonia or nitrite in one's tank.
 
What you are not seeing is that nitrite is rising above 5 ppm, peaking and then coming back down. Once it hits 5 ppm and moves higher, all you know is 5 ppm untl it has come back down under 5 ppm.
 
The nitrite bacteria do not begin to reproduce until there is actually nitrite present. By this time one has gotten the ammonia ones to be multiplying and handling more and more ammonia and this creates the nitrite. So the A bacs get a good head start on the N bacs. Since the nitrite ones reproduce at a slower rate than the ammonia ones, nitrite is slower to get under control.
 
Aside from following the directions here for cycling, the one other component one needs to add to the cycling process is patience. If your dosing follows the directions, you will end up with a cycled tank. The average is about 5 weeks but some go faster and some slower. It depends on how much bacteria naturally comes into a tank at the start and. Unless we add some, we have no way to know how much we might have to start.
 
Thanks so much for your patience with me and the great tips and the explaining...it's all helping me so much!!!
I did the snack dose last night.
.24
1ppm ammonia
:)
 

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