Danny's Cycle...

Congrats to both of you and I agree with Andy, just give them a watch and also agree the tests don't need to be more than the 12 hour ones.

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yeah both my tanks seem almost done, both show 0 nitrite but both also show trace ammonia, strange.......

Just wanted to ask, I am going to fishless cycle a new tank soon, it will be for my wcmm so is a coldwater tank, do I still need to heat tank while cycling or should i do it room temp?
 
The fishless cycle would proceed and eventually get there without a heater, so if you don't have an extra one and don't want to buy a heater just to fishless cycle then you could do that. On the other hand, if you had an extra or could borrow or just wanted to have a spare from then on in your hobby supplies, then heating up to the correct 84F/29C ideal bacterial growing soup temperature should help to speed up the cycling process.

By the way, having traces of ammonia show up at the very end, despite having acheived zero ppms at 12 hours much earlier in the fishless cycle is actually fairly commonly seen here among the threads. Its more common to see traces of nitrite seeming to "stick" near the end at 12 hours but sometimes its ammonia traces that show up. The process we use here on TFF is, I think, about as robust as you'd see anywhere, but the biofilter at 2 or 3 months, just after its cycled is still nowhere near as robust as it will be later at 6 months or at a year!

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thanks Waterdrop. I do have a spare heater so will use that then, was just worried as I read through the fishless cycle thread and saw some got a slight bacteria drop off after reducing temperature at the end, will reduce mine slowly over the course of a week to try to avoid it.

My betta tank runs at 80f and has reached 0 nitrites and trace ammonia after only 28 days. It had daily waterchanges of 50% regardless of readings as he came with finrot so was protecting his fins and allowing him the best conditions to heal. His water never had more than 0.25 ammonia, mostly at around 0.10-0.15, but the nitrite spiked for a week at 5, then plummeted to 0 overnight......I wonder if the large waterchanges sped the cycle? Am currently testing his decor to see if they contributed to huge spike (see my thread, link here [URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=298405)"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=298405)[/URL]

The coldwater minnow tank runs at room temp, currently around 72-75f and that reached its first 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite after 62 days. The past few days have seen trace ammonia and trace nitrites again, but I am medicating with sterazin and removed decor from tank so I am putting this down to the meds and maybe extra stress on fish while medicating. I am hoping it will return to 0's after medicating is up, this tank has been very slow and stubborn, but it never spiked over 0.50 in ammonia or nitrites while cycling, mostly 0.25's, as I tried my best to keep the fish safe, though it had daily waterchanges being a fish-in cycle, from 15% - 60% depending on test readings.

I am looking forward to doing the fishless one, far less stressful, will be nice not to do so many waterchanges, Im exhausted lol The minnows will then be upgraded to the new tank and still deciding what to put in their tank, toss up between another betta or cherry shrimp.....
 
While it is true that the bacterial colonies are encouraged to grow faster when they are in an optimal warm temperature, its not true that the bacteria will die off just because the temperature is made lower. The bacteria are very robust and live quite normally at both cold water and tropical fish tank temperatures, which is why they are our freshwater biofilter bacteria.

The large water changes that are done during a fish-in cycle do not, per se, speed up the cycling process. The two species that are being grown are simply fairly slow growers (at least as far as bacteria go, that is, since most bacteria reproduce within hours) and its mainly that they are offered good anchoring spots on the right types of media in the filter and then are seeing ammonia and fresh oxygenated water flow by that helps them to continue growing and get mature at about the same rate as they would in a fishless cycle.

The water changes in a fish-in cycle are of course all about saving the fish.

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ps. interesting hearing about your minnows.. as a kid I remember bringing minnows in and then unfortunately watching them die. I sure wish I had understood the nitrogen cycle back then, it would have been really fun to have known how to do it. Kind of interesting to wonder what common minnows might need that's different from how we care for our typical tropical fish.
 
ps. interesting hearing about your minnows.. as a kid I remember bringing minnows in and then unfortunately watching them die. I sure wish I had understood the nitrogen cycle back then, it would have been really fun to have known how to do it. Kind of interesting to wonder what common minnows might need that's different from how we care for our typical tropical fish.


They are lovely fish, really great fun to watch, I was going to get goldfish but hubby talked me into getting these, I love them. I have standard white clouds and the golden ones too, really pretty fish. They are always playing and displaying to each other, looks like they are moonwalking lol Luckily I haven't lost any, famous last words.......they are being treated for flukes as they were flashing, started a week after adding a moss ball.....so I am praying they pull through that too. Would be sad to get them through 62 days of cycling just to lose them at the end. So far, so good, haven't lost any fish in either tank, keeping everything crossed and praying I haven't just put my foot in my mouth .
 
*updated*

But I have a problem... My cousin's Parrot fish has decided to start wiping out his fish so he turned up at my place with the rest of his guppies... :no:

I had a go, but didn't want to see them flushed down the loo... so I decided to take them in...

I do believe the smaller fish, (month old I believe) are both female...

and the other guppy, around the same age maybe a little younger is also female...

So I now have 4 guppies, 3 females to 1 male... *huff*

I hope this doesn't ruin any progress I have with my cycle...?!!!!!
 
With that lead-in I thought you were going to say 16 guppies or something! Yes, you may set your fish-in cycling that was basically finished back a bit but its a small enough stocking addition that it probably won't be too bad and you know what to do!

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Haha... opps sorry :blush:

Yeah he gave me just three he had left... have also noticed that the tail on the older female has been nipped at!
Gosh he shouldn't look after fish!

I tested his water today also:

NitrIte: 0ppm
Ammonia: 0ppm
NitrAte: is a really deep red... looks like 80-160ppm
PH:7.4

His Nitrate is so high!

Anyway,
I have introduced them to the tank using the proper method.

Should I test my water more regularly now...? say every 4-8hours?

Just as Ive nearly reached the end of my cycle (so it seemed), I have this to now compete with...

Well I guess I don't have to worry about buying more fish...? :shout: lol
 
If your cycle has indeed finished you may find it will just be your ammonia levels that may rise.

I would keep an eye on both ammonia and nitrite levels though over the next few days and would go back to testing 2/3 times a day until the filter bacteria catches up with the extra bioload :good:

Andy
 
Well I wasn't cycled I don't think...

But things looked up until i got the extra batch of fish... lol!

Yeah I will proceed on testing my water 2/3 times a day like I used to and hopefully things stay the same!
The above being Nitrite and Ammonia water tests.

Thank you :)
 
Yes, agree with Andy, ammonia, pH and nitrite tests and you should note in your first post log the point at which x fish were added as well as to begin posting up the simultaneous ammonia tests. Its not really the postings here for us that's so important but your own notebook - the addition of fish or some "event" like that is what a lot of aquarists forget to note in their notebook and yet that's the very sort of thing you might later be interested in knowing, some years later when you've forgotten the dates/details.

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