Breeders, looking for conformation/discussion

[Bettaman]

Take a look here as well .........some pictures of f1

http/www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...82&page=1&pp=10

 

[cation]

Take a look here as well .........some pictures of f1

http/www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...82&page=1&pp=10

That's the F1 of a doubletail plakat (m) x halfmoon plakat (f), just to clarify for everyone.

 

[Bettaman]

Yes sorry cation this was the link that was on it as part of the discussion as it was dt he started off on..might have to register but a similar discussion on imbellis
http/www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2013

 

[cation]

Oops, sorry bettaman. )

 

[cation]

In the interest of staying true to my word, I am resurrecting this thread.

After a few bounced emails, I finally got in touch with Jim. I sent the same letter posted earlier. Here's his response on the issue:


"Hi ********,
Nice to hear from you.
It is possible to get Veiltails from a Plakat to HM cross. You can
think of the Plakat as a short-finned Veiltail! Then it should make sense
to you. It would be the same as crossing a long-finned Veiltail to a HM.

Jim"



So, he says it's the same as crossing VT to HM (he means tail form, not length in this case).

Apparently I am incorrect. I said when I sent the letter to him that I trusted his knowledge and I'd believe what he said. So for now, I was wrong about this one.

*scurries off to try to dig up Lucas's email addy.....*

 

[cutechic]

Never would have thought it. Thanks for sharing, I had been wondering about that

 

[Joepmaster]

Hi Cation,

Thanks for sharing Jim's answer

Greetz,

Joep

 

[yeeviabetta]

Great information. All is come down to what gene of betta you going to cross with.

 

[cation]

yep. I still don't understand how mine turned out the way they did. Maybe that's just what freshly minted veils with non-veil parents look like.

 

[ral]

Thanks for the info cation. A bit surprised about the resolution, but your source is the guru so....

 

[cation]

I can't say I'm not surprised at the info too, but whatcha gonna do? Means I've commited the cardinal sin of breeding veils, but I guess we've all learned something from it.

 

[Bettaman]

Have you got any pictures of you babies from this cross of plakat and halmoon........

 

[wuvmybetta]

I can't say I'm not surprised at the info too, but whatcha gonna do? Means I've commited the cardinal sin of breeding veils, but I guess we've all learned something from it.

Have we? Have we really?

It all comes down to show plakat and wild type plakat. The plakat has evolved immensely in the past couple of years. But I also know there's whisper of the IBC doing away wth them all together,calling them the next veiltail. Hopefully not.
So when they say "veiltail" results, do they mean coming from a fish with an angular pointed caudal (true plakat form) being bred into a HM line? Or do they mean a HM plakat and a HM?

But my point is, who cares? What are we going by,the standard? The standard reflects the perfect betta,and that's hard to come by.
I say breed your fish and love your fry and your hobby. Nuff said. Because if you're scared to try new things,you'll never get farther than you're allowed. We need to expand beyond just what we're told. If breeders so long ago hadn't tried different things we wouldn't have the bettas we have today. The possibilities are endless.

Everybody is so hung up on the HM. It's enough to Here's an interesting quote from a well known breeder in regards to this show season...

Explain to them to look at the entire betta. The caudal fin is
just part of the total package. The perfect betta would have a 180 caudal
spread. Last time I checked the fish don't need to be perfect to show, place,
or win. Lots of traits go into the ideal. The standard is a standard of
PERFECTION, and is supposed to be hard to achieve. Tell them to forget slang terms
like HM, or Super delta.They are one in the same.

Slang terms aay?
I then saw others say they've never seen the perfect betta to date

Now go ask Yeevia what the mommy to his beautiful nearly HM babies was. Nothing is set in stone when it comes to bettas.

 

[cation]

I can't say I'm not surprised at the info too, but whatcha gonna do? Means I've commited the cardinal sin of breeding veils, but I guess we've all learned something from it.

Have we? Have we really?

No. I know I haven't. The first thing I wanted to do was email Gene and ask him what he thought....

I agree with what you're saying. I've been thinking a lot about this since I've read Gene's article about crowntail and HM "traits", or the lack thereof. I think we just really don't know as much as we like to think we do.

And honestly, this weekend when I post pics of how the F2 are developing (you know, the ones whose dad is a supposed veil according to this info.... ), we'll see what y'all think about veiltail dominance....

 

[ral]

But my point is, who cares? What are we going by,the standard? The standard reflects the perfect betta,and that's hard to come by.
I say breed your fish and love your fry and your hobby. Nuff said. Because if you're scared to try new things,you'll never get farther than you're allowed. We need to expand beyond just what we're told. If breeders so long ago hadn't tried different things we wouldn't have the bettas we have today. The possibilities are endless.

Maybe we should care a bit. "Poorer quality" betta's wind out living out their days in small cups. Since they have become so cheap here, they are now used a giveaways in party's in small 250ml bowls. I can imagine some people even use water straight from the tap to so water changes.

We all feel bad when we see fish is small cups. Lets not contribute to the problem. Breed fish that will find a good home.