Any body up for a challenge??

[mbsqw1d]

The way we keep fish today has been through debate and experimentation. If this forum must stick to a particular method and not allow members to discuss other possibilities then it is at risk of being left in the dark

 

[itiwhetu]

How about instead of fish use daphnia as your “test subjects”. Great indicator and used in scientific experiments everywhere.

What ever you like. I use this system all the time. it is based around biological filtration.

 

[mbsqw1d]

I don't keep fish to get diseases in the last 10 years have had one case of white spot due to a power failure. Raised the temperature of the tank to fix it lost about 8-10 fish

Of course not! I was miss-interpreted. There was a leading question asked of you concerning your methodology of tank maintenance from someone who has sadly succumb to their own misfortune of losses and disease whilst using methods that seem to be written in stone here and mustn't be challenged

 

[itiwhetu]

Of course not! I was miss-interpreted. There was a leading question asked of you concerning your methodology of tank maintenance from someone who has sadly succumb to their own misfortune of losses and disease whilst using methods that seem to be written in stone here and mustn't be challenged

It is nice to see at least one person on this site is willing to think about their fish keeping practices and look outside the world of potions. Thank you for being reasonable

 

[FishGuest5123]

How about instead of fish use daphnia as your “test subjects”. Great indicator and used in scientific experiments everywhere.

Also some of you need to stop being aggressive to others, this is a fish forum, not a place to babble about fish shouldn’t be put at harm.

@Finsfinal if you are implying about me please realize that as a moderator it is my responsibility to monitor the posts and comment as needed. We do not condone using fish as test subjects. Pure and simple.

 

[itiwhetu]

@Finsfinal if you are implying about me please realize that as a moderator it is my responsibility to monitor the posts and comment as needed. We do not condone using fish as test subjects. Pure and simple.

Everything we do with fish keeping is an experiment and the fish are our subjects. We have no idea most of the time what is going on all we do is guess.

 

[The Lumpfish Guy]

It is nice to see at least one person on this site is willing to think about their fish keeping practices and look outside the world of potions. Thank you for being reasonable

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Ok steady on everyone.

I am all for challenging the status quo in attempts to improve the maintenance of our aquariums. But:

1) you should not be experimenting on fish, this is against animal experimentation laws and requires licences, ethics reviews by appropriate qualified people

2) If you have an idea which you believe will help great, but please try and back this up with evidence, I know there is not a lot of documented published information on ornamentals but by saying "this has been done for so long" does not evidence make. (There is FYI a body of work demonstrating the effectiveness of current dechlorination treatments)

3) A little respect goes a long way

 

[The Lumpfish Guy]

Everything we do with fish keeping is an experiment and the fish are our subjects. We have no idea most of the time what is going on all we do is guess.

No, I am sorry that is not true.

There are established protocols within fishkeeping which have been demonstrated scientifically

 

[mbsqw1d]

@itiwhetu have you read Diana Walstad's book or seen her interviews?

 

[snailaquarium]

Is there any body out there who wants to see if we can develop a system that requires us to use no dechlorinating products. Completely natural. It will require you to set up a tank that we would do a series of tests on to check for it's stability. Ultimately leading to a process for aquarists that meant no additives would be needed to be added to the tank.

I am in a position to very easily do this, however, it would be outdoors in terms of setup, are any fish likely to survive a winter in the UK??

 

[FishGuest5123]

Ok steady on everyone.

I am all for challenging the status quo in attempts to improve the maintenance of our aquariums. But:

1) you should not be experimenting on fish, this is against animal experimentation laws and requires licences, ethics reviews by appropriate qualified people

2) If you have an idea which you believe will help great, but please try and back this up with evidence, I know there is not a lot of documented published information on ornamentals but by saying "this has been done for so long" does not evidence make. (There is FYI a body of work demonstrating the effectiveness of current dichlorination treatments)

3) A little respect goes a long way

@Lumpfish Guy I agree 100%. If someone wants to research in their own then I have no say so. However, due to the laws that you stated, we cannot condone or accept “challenges” of such matter on our forum. If members wish to exchange contact info and work together privately, I have no issues. I appreciate everyone’s understanding in this.

 

[itiwhetu]

@itiwhetu have you read Diana Walstad's book or seen her interviews?

No I haven't never heard of this until I came on to this site. I have come up with this on my own.

 

[mbsqw1d]

Good transcript here from an interview with her.
May i just state that this does not talk whatsoever about experimenting with fish/the use of dechlorinater

Aquariss.net | Intervju - Diana Walstad - Natural planted tanks

Online svijet akvaristike! Korisni savjeti, pitanja i odgovori te sve potrebno za ovaj prekrasan hobi.

www.aquariss.net

 

[itiwhetu]

Come on guys. This is no experiment it is just another approach to fish keeping which has been around for half a century. It is to do with biological filtration and safe practices

 

[kwi]

May i just state that this does not talk whatsoever about experimenting with fish/the use of dechlorinater

The 5th question is about dechlorinator. But no where does she say not to use it.