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Byron said:
No, this will not work if you have chlorine or chloramine in your tap water. It will seriously harm and likely kill the fish.

It is the initial influx of chlorine/chloramine that is deadly. A conditioner that deals with both will detoxify them instantly, making the water safe. There is no alternative so far as "immediate" use of the water is concerned. Chlorine will dissipate out of water in 24 hours; agitating the water very vigorously (as when it is speeding through city water pipes) also achieves this. But note that in these cases, the fresh water must be made safe and cannot be immediately used. If one is doing diligent water changes of 50-70% of the tank, any chlorine in the fresh water will kill the fish before it ever dissipates out.

Chloramine I am not that familiar with (in terms of its break-down) as it is (fortunately) not added to my water supply. Chlorine rapidly burns the fish's gills. Unless you have apparatus sufficient to rid the chlorinated water of all deadly chlorine, using a reliable water conditioner seems a better option. Provided it is not overdosed.
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Thanks Byron, I was not aware of that.
 
The other flaw is that most people don't get to choose their water supply. Going for a slightly acidic tank is all very well, but pH in my tap is 8 with 18dKH. That's a significant amount of buffering so the only way to get that water to stay acidic is to add massive amounts of acid - sufficient to exhaust the buffer. If I happened to have hard water fish they would then be in hard, acidic water. Not necessarily a problem but in the wild they would be in hard basic water.

Since I do keep soft water fish RO is the logical choice for me as I end up with soft neutral water. The tanks are acidic (which these fish expect) simply because I have also stripped the buffering capacity out of the water - and no chemicals whatsoever.
 
itiwhetu said:
In all my years of fish keeping I have never used a dechlorinator. I am asking the question on this site do you need to. The answer doesn't really matter, the fact everybody is thinking about it does. I am willing to help people who want to try to get away from using chemicals in their tanks, will we succeed I don't know, will we learn something, Yes.
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@itiwhetu How long do you fish live on average! Honestly.
 
Deanasue said:
@itiwhetu How long do you fish live on average! Honestly.
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The severum cichlids in the photo raised from young that was a hire tank they were in it for six years. Sold them on to a 1000 liter system. The Silver dollars were in that system 4 years sold them on to a 600 liter system. Barbs and Tetras usually 2-3 years. and you?
 
mbsqw1d said:
How many fish have you lost this year? And how many diseases have you had to treat for?
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I don't keep fish to get diseases in the last 10 years have had one case of white spot due to a power failure. Raised the temperature of the tank to fix it lost about 8-10 fish
 
mbsqw1d said:
How many fish have you lost this year? And how many diseases have you had to treat for?
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seangee said:
Now now children... :whistle:
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No, I don’t mind answering at all. @mbsqw1d I’ve lost several panda cories, a few tetras, a betta, and a 5 year old goldfish that broke my heart. The pandas and tetras were after a terrible ich problem and the betta and goldfish were to tumors. I have 15 tanks though. The big dfference is that I’m not inviting others to experiment with me so I believe it’s a fair question to ask @itiwhetu.
 
seangee said:
The other flaw is that most people don't get to choose their water supply. Going for a slightly acidic tank is all very well, but pH in my tap is 8 with 18dKH. That's a significant amount of buffering so the only way to get that water to stay acidic is to add massive amounts of acid - sufficient to exhaust the buffer. If I happened to have hard water fish they would then be in hard, acidic water. Not necessarily a problem but in the wild they would be in hard basic water.

Since I do keep soft water fish RO is the logical choice for me as I end up with soft neutral water. The tanks are acidic (which these fish expect) simply because I have also stripped the buffering capacity out of the water - and no chemicals whatsoever.
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Have you ever tried a peat base with a large quantity of plant, the system will go soft and the organic material will drive the ph down
 
itiwhetu said:
I don't keep fish to get diseases in the last 10 years have had one case of white spot due to a power failure. Raised the temperature of the tank to fix it lost about 8-10 fish
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I doubt anyone keeps them for that reason. A little cenacle, wasn’t it!
 
Deanasue said:
No, I don’t mind answering at all. @mbsqw1d I’ve lost several panda cories, a few tetras, a betta, and a 5 year old goldfish that broke my heart. The pandas and tetras were after a terrible ich problem and the betta and goldfish were to tumors. I have 15 tanks though. The big dfference is that I’m not inviting others to experiment with me so I believe it’s a fair question to ask @itiwhetu.
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It is a shame about your losses, my system was developed because I kept loosing fish and I would treat them and I would loose fish and I would treat them. There had to be a better way, I got back to basics fish live in water in a biological system and have no problems. That is what I have developed over the years.
 
I am not try to sell this, everyone can do what works for them, I am just saying there are other ways and here is one of them. A different approach for you to think about.
 
How about instead of fish use daphnia as your “test subjects”. Great indicator and used in scientific experiments everywhere.

Also some of you need to stop being aggressive to others, this is a fish forum, not a place to babble about fish shouldn’t be put at harm.
 
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