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Your Fish Shouldn't Swim In Chlorine.....

Lynda B

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Okay, so a conversation began about chlorine.... and it blossomed from there. I have a co-worker (we work in the water/wastewater industry) and he advised that he won't use chlorine in his home swimming pool. He just keeps it clean. No reason for the chlorine. Have you ever noticed how bad you smell, how funky your hair is and how dried out your skin is after being in a swimming pool that's been highly dosed with chlorine? Rule of thumb, if you can smell the chlorine, don't go in the pool. :good:

HOW IS CHLORINE MADE...
Chlorine is produced the electrolysis of salt water. When electricity is passed through 2NaCl (salt) and 2H20 (water), the atoms dissociate into Cl2 (chlorine) + 2NaOH (sodium Hydroxide) + H2 (Hydrogen). Cl2 is isolated in its gaseous form, and used to create other chlorine compounds used for sanitizing, bleaching and production of plastics and related products.

HOW DOES CHLORINE WORK TO SANITIZE...
When chlorine is added to water, another dissociation occurs. When we add Cl2 (chlorine) + H2O (water), we get a reaction which leaves us with HOCl (hypochlorous acid) + HCl (hydrochloric acid). Hypochlorous acid is the active, killing form of chlorine. This is what does the real sanitizing work. The chlorine molecule or ion kills microorganisms by slashing through the cell walls and destroying the inner enzymes, structures and processes. When this occurs, the cell has been deactivated, or oxidized. The hypochlorous molecule continues this slash & burn until it combines with a nitrogen or ammonia compound, becoming a chloramine, or it is broken down into its component atoms, becoming de-activated itself.

IS CHLORINE DANGEROUS, UNSAFE OR UNHEALTHY?
No doubt about it, chlorine certainly is a hazardous product, with some forms of it being more dangerous for the handler and the environment than other forms. Chlorine in a solution of water at levels found in swimming pools pose no danger for swimmers. Allergic reactions to chlorine are rare, however some individuals may experience skin irritation. Chloramines, sometimes found in poorly balanced water, are the cause of occasional red eyes when swimming. Extremely high levels of chlorine in the water could possibly release enough gas off of the surface in certain conditions to render breathing difficulties.

The main hazard is towards the person in charge of adding the chlorine to the pool. Use caution and always read the directions. Always use care when opening a container of chlorine. Breathing in chlorine gas can knock you right out, and could be fatal. Always wear protective handling gear such as eye protection and rubber gloves. If chlorine touches your skin, you should wash it off to prevent irritation. If chlorine splashes in the eye, irrigate with water and contact a physician straight away. The label on the chlorine container will also tell you never, never, never mix chlorine with any other chemical. You could produce something of a bomb or even napalm. This includes mixing two different types of chlorine, or chlorine and bromine. KABOOM! Dirt, debris or any foreign substance (algaecides, alkalis and acids, etc.) can cause spontaneous combustion when mixed with chlorine. FIRE! See our page on Chemical Safety for more info.

As for the environment; pools have a small impact. Being closed systems, pools just don't contact nature very much. There could be some hazard involved with waste water from the pool that has either extremely high chlorine levels or extremely low pH levels. It is unlikely that the amount of water expelled during backwashing your filter could pose much harm, but large amounts of DE Powder can choke a stream if pumped directly into it. Impacts have been seen on drain and clean jobs, when acid water is pumped into nearby streams. Pool water is very similar in make up to the city water right out of the tap. Many people water their lawns with higher chlorine and lower pH than is found in their pool. There are certain industrial uses of chlorine chemistry which are detrimental to the environment, but in a swimming pool environment, the potential hazards are much lower, even non-existent. There has been much publicity and controversy over chlorine in recent years, with some organizations calling for bans on its use. You decide if chlorine chemistry is right for you and your pool.

WHAT DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHLORINE ARE THERE...
In its elemental state, chlorine exists as a gas. Gas is available for swimming pool sanitation; is very cheap, and is the purest form of chlorine, with no binders or carriers. The % of available chlorine is 100%. It is also extremely dangerous and restricted in its use. It is rare to find a pool using gas as it's sanitizer, and those that do are usually very old, very large public pools that have (we hope) enacted strict safety procedures. Gas is very acidic, with a pH close to muriatic acid, so these pools using it add a lot of base to counteract this.

Liquid chlorine is another type which is created by bubbling the chlorine gas through a solution of caustic soda. The yellow liquid (stronger, but chemically identical to bleach) has 10-15% available chlorine, and has a pH on the other end of the scale at 13. Liquid Chlorine is called Sodium Hypochlorite (NaOCl) and because it is already in solution, sodium hypo produces hypochlorous acid instantly when it contacts water. The liquid can be poured directly into the pool, but it is recommended to use a diaphragm or peristaltic pump. The use of liquid chlorine is more dominant in larger commercial pools which have it delivered into 55 gallon vats. For most residential pools, its lower cost seems to be outweighed by its difficulty in use and the amount of acid required to counteract its pH of 13. Use care when handling as this chemical is corrosive to just about everything.

Trichlor is a tablet form of chlorine, and is short for Trichloro-s-triazinetrione, a stabilized form of chlorine that has achieved a great amount of use in the last ten years. "Stabilized" means that it has cyanuric acid pressed into the tablet. Cyanuric, also called stabilizer or conditioner, is like sunscreen for the chlorine molecule; an extender, if you will. Trichlor is created by combining the salts of cyanuric acid and chlorine gas into a tablet or stick, and is 90% available chlorine. The pH is somewhat low at 3, so the pH in your pool may gravitate downward. This form is slow dissolving, and so it works well in floaters or in-line erosion feeders. Using tablets in the skimmer is not recommended, because of the corrosive nature of the chemical contacting metal pipes and equipment. This becomes more of a problem when the filter pump is operated on a timer. It has been known to strip out the copper inside of a heater. (An effective, yet expensive means of controlling algae). Tablets should also not be thrown directly into the pool, they can stain and etch plaster and bleach and deteriorate vinyl.

Another member of the chlorinated iso-cyanurate family is Dichlor, short for Sodium Dichloro -s-triazinetrione. Dichlor is made in roughly the same manner as trichlor, however the product is much different. The pH is a very acceptable 7, and it is manufactured in the form of granules, so it dissolves rapidly and goes right to work on contaminants. Dichlor has less chlorine, pound per pound at only 62% available chlorine. Because it contains cyanuric acid, it lasts longer than other unstabilized forms of granular chlorine. It can be used as a shock treatment oxidizer, or for normal sanitation. Dichlor's main drawback is it's cost per pound of available chlorine. It is perhaps the most expensive form of chlorine available.

There are two other types of granular chlorine on the market - the hypochlorites. Lithium Hypochlorite, like dichlor, is a very expensive product. At only 35% available, it takes almost 3 lbs of lithium to equal one lb of trichlor and its pH of 11 will require additions of an acid to adjust the pool water. It's main advantages are that it is calcium free, and so it won't contribute to hardness levels; it's dust free and non-flammable. It dissolves extremely quickly, before it hits the floor, so its use is safe in vinyl liner pools. Lithium can be used for either shock treating or for regular chlorination.

Calcium Hypochlorite is commonly available in is granular form, but can also be purchased in tablet form. Cal Hypo is a commonly used shock treatment throughout the country. Although not stabilized with cyanuric acid, it has a quick kill rate against algae and chloramines, and has 65% available chlorine per lb. Some other granular forms of chlorine are more powder like, and thus dissolve more rapidly than the larger granules of cal hypo. It's a good idea to pre dissolve cal hypo into a bucket of water prior to adding it to a pool. It's popularity is due mainly to its availability and low price, despite a high pH value of nearly 12, and the calcium binders used which contribute to higher hardness levels. Cal hypo is more dangerous and unstable than other forms in that it is very dusty and becomes contaminated easily by foreign substances which can cause combustion. Mix only with water, don't breathe the dust, and keep the lid tightly secure and clean.
 
Interesting, but I doubt anyone on here would try to argue that it's better not to remove chlorine from our fishes water.
 
Basically, the idea is that nobody should be swimming in chlorinated water, whether fish or human.....
 
Yep, but it's too much of a hassle, especially for bigger pools. Algae will form, animals will attempt to live in it.
 
I agree with LyndaB! In said post, I said that I am an eczema sufferer and swimming in a chlorinated pool actually turns my skin into open sores - chlorine = bad news for anybody, fish or human :D i feel a new campaign coming on
 
I agree with LyndaB! In said post, I said that I am an eczema sufferer and swimming in a chlorinated pool actually turns my skin into open sores - chlorine = bad news for anybody, fish or human :D i feel a new campaign coming on

We've got a 12 foot pool in the back garden for the kids, it's got a pump/filter and you can buy cleaning 'kits' now that are chlorine free (readily available - I got this kit from B&Q)... but I'm guessing they wouldn't be as effective on a larger (public) pool - either that or it would work out too expensive to go the chlorine-free route....
 
Well I'm sure that works for other people, but I only get to swim twice a year and there's no way I'm not going just because of some chlorine.
 
I don't mean to sound really harsh, but that first post looks a lot like a cut and paste. If it isn't I apologise and mean no offence, but if it is then it is incredibly bad form to cut and paste and not acknowledge the original source.

I must admit I prefer to have chlorine in the pool (and despite suffering from Eczema I have no issues from it) than all the other horrible bacteria which can develop, even though I spend quite a long time submerged when practicing my SCUBA skills.
 
I agree with LyndaB! In said post, I said that I am an eczema sufferer and swimming in a chlorinated pool actually turns my skin into open sores - chlorine = bad news for anybody, fish or human :D i feel a new campaign coming on

are you sure that you aren't just allergic to chlorine? i know a couple of people with that allergy and they break out into awful sores at the slightest exposure.

and with regard to the OP, i'm not certain that this *really* fits the spirit of Tropical Chat. it probably ought to be moved to one of the hobby forums.
 
There's no forum like a "misc chat" or something. I really looked and tried to see where this might fit best. If a mod sees fit to move it, that's fine.

I looked under "hobby" but it really doesn't belong there either. It seems to be a thread without a real home. :rolleyes:
 

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