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"Have you seen the gas/petrol prices here? i spend $100 a week going to and from work"

It's $100 to fill up the tank ONCE here. ;)

:huh: jeez...how much is it there? i mean i fill up my tank 2 times a week and spend $100. how much is it there per gallon/litre?
 
Its around £1 a litre here, thats nearly $2 a litre in your money.
 
Its around £1 a litre here, thats nearly $2 a litre in your money.

only if you are converting the money. £1 spent in the UK is equal to $1 spent in the US. is that worded right? you spend £3+ per gallon, we spend $3+ per gallon. You just measure it in £/litres. i can't possibly know if this holds true for all things but i think i must hold true for most. I spent a couple of weeks in the UK a couple of years ago. Prices were similar, just measured in £'s
 
Hmm... since I've lived in both the US and the UK (in fact am off to the US in two weeks for the holidays) here's my take on the cost/scope of the fishkeeping hobby in the US:

Some things definitely are cheaper in the US, particularly hardware, but the difference isn't really all that great. A lot has to do with the brands of things and the sorts of kit being sold. For whatever reason, "hang on" filters are really popular in the US, though these seem like a total waste of time to me. Canister filters on the other hand are quite uncommon and tend to be expensive, especially the better-made brands.

The US fishkeeping business is somewhat more dominated by pet shop chains than fishkeeping specialists. While the UK does have pet shop chain stores, these are still a relatively minor part of the business, especially compared with the big fish/pond chains like Maidenhead Aquatics and World of Water. While there may be the odd bad Maidenhead Aquatics store out there, for the most part they are very competently run and offer a wide selection of fish. The pet store chains in the US tend to focus almost entirely on "bread and butter" stuff, and if they have things like African cichlids or oddballs, the quality of information offered is often less than satisfactory.

The US fishkeeping hobby really splits into two major segments: marines and community tropicals. There's relatively little demand for (decent quality) African cichlids, L-number catfish, oddballs, brackish, etc. The assumption is often that once a person has kept community fish, they'll "upgrade" to marines. In the UK the hobby is more diverse, and it is much easier to obtain wild-caught fish here than in the US where a most of the fish offered are captive-bred.

There's almost no demand for planted aquaria in the US. Yes, there are some American aquarists who keep 'Dutch' or 'Amano' planted tanks, but as a share of the market they're very, very minor. Obtaining better quality plants and the gear required to keep them is significantly easier in the UK. (To be fair, this is because most of this gear and some of the plants come from Europe, so it's simply a question of cost.)

American fishkeepers -- broadly -- have fewer scruples about using live feeder fish to feed predatory fish species. In the UK this practise is relatively uncommon. There's also more demand in the US for things like dyed glassfish and hybrid cichlids.

The mail-order fish trade is a much more mature business in the US than in the UK. An American fishkeeper will have relatively little trouble ordering fish online; in the UK this is only now starting to happen.

American fishkeepers will also find it much easier to obtain native freshwater or marine fish for coldwater tanks. This aspect of the hobby is hardly developed at all here. On the flip side, both the US and the UK labour under various laws that restrict the trade of certain species. American fishkeepers can't get Asian arowanas, snakeheads or (in some states) piranhas; British fishkeepers can't keep most coldwater Asian or American fishes.

It's perfectly possible to enjoy fishkeeping on both sides of the Atlantic, but I have to say that for an aquarist interested in non-community tank freshwater fish, it's probably easier here in the UK. American aquarists on the other hand benefit from lower hardware costs, so keeping marine fish is cheaper and easier on that side of the Atlantic.

Cheers, Neale
 
Its around £1 a litre here, thats nearly $2 a litre in your money.
I don't think you can compare petrol like that. Things like average wage and living costs have to come into it. Loads of things are cheaper in the US (and vice versa) but if their wages are comparably less and living costs higher then cheaper petrol compared to the UK will make no difference. I'm not saying wages are less but I am paid better as a teacher here in the UK than similar teachers in the US.

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I visited a tool maker a few years ago. You can find him on the 'oldtoolstore.com' He makes varius tools for the United States costomer. His baggage is only for his tools. He buys all his clothes out there, because in his words, they are so much cheaper. Same with any electrical goods.
 
Oh dear I bought a Juwel Lido, oh well I usually have money and nothing to spend it on. Can always think about replacing the light unit once they die. May be cheaper than replacing the bulbs. Their filter is ok for me since I'm going to use a external with it, leave the internal with lots of sponges and the external with lots of ceramic rings.
 
(Quote) Dont be jealous of juwel, lord knows why there so popular, only thing that people keep (as stated) is the glass box all hardware is naff (I know, I have one myself)...Praise cheaper eheim though haha

Jewel tanks are excellent value for money, and there's nothing wrong with them especially the filters if you let them do their job.
Unless you are 1 of these people that change water every week in a mature tank when there's nothing wrong with it, or mess with the filter when it don't need messing with, then they are a good starting point.


Do you work for Juwel or maybe have a lot of shares in the company?

Juwel tanks are heaps of expensive nicely packaged rubbish aimed at catching the eye of those new to the hobby and are only suited for keeping tiny fish which produce no bio load, very few experienced serious hobbiests would even consider one and those who already had bought them in the past have mostly stripped the guts out of them and just kept the glass so that kind of tells you that they arent all that.

...and just how often do you recomend changing the water in a mature tank then? Years ago people believed that keeping fish in aged water was best and that you should leave the tank alone as much as possible only changing water every 6 months or so, at the same time there were only a handfull of species regularly available and most of the exotics were considered impossible to keep in aquaria. Thankfully the hobby has moved on and we now know that clean fresh water is the best thing for fish and that regular partial water changes keep the nitrates and dissovled organic solids levels low which allows us to keep a wider variety of species and even breed many of the species previously thought of as difficult or impossible.

Wish I did have shares in Jewel I would defo give up my day job!
As for water changes about 10-15% once a month suits my tank well, as we have utterly crap tap water where I live and anything more than this can cause my P.H to crash, so overchanging water for me isn't really an option, but the fish seem happy enough with it as do my stats.
And you're right fishkeeping has come a long way from the days when I was a kid, i.e filters that contain more than 2 elements, which work well if the pads are cleaned and replaced when necessary.
Sorry to hear u don't get on with Jewel tanks, but at the end of the day, it's each to their own, what you can afford etc, and mine has been a major success in a long overdue return to keeping fish.
 
oh dear does that mean my juwel will cause me problems in times to come? or is once the tank is a bit older......i'm not bitter as the tank was a bargain compared to what I would have paid for it where I work.....so everything by comparison is good and cheaper.....and also mine is only a small juwel tank, so i do only have small fish with small bioload, but that's because its all i have space for in a 1 bedroom flat......so mine for me....is ideal really.....if it causes me problems in under a year....i'll be back to agree.....but no problems so far *touch wood* :good:


If looked after properly you shouldn't have any problems.
 
Its around £1 a litre here, thats nearly $2 a litre in your money.
I don't think you can compare petrol like that. Things like average wage and living costs have to come into it. Loads of things are cheaper in the US (and vice versa) but if their wages are comparably less and living costs higher then cheaper petrol compared to the UK will make no difference. I'm not saying wages are less but I am paid better as a teacher here in the UK than similar teachers in the US.

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The comparison is made from a currency exchange perspective, so I think that you can make that kind of comparison. There is no references to anything such as cost of living, it's purely pointing out the cost of a litre of fuel over here in terms the other member is familiar with. ;)

Squid


anyway it's not cheap here either but as eddie izzard says "i grew up in europe, where the history comes from" i'm jealous of that
Eddie Izzard is the GOD of comedy imho :D


hehe.. saw that on the DVD of the alcatraz performance.
 
Hey!!! I'm the proud owner of a Rio 125, and not disappointed. The filter has a lot more media than most internal filters, which makes it a hell of a lot more efficient. Admittedly, you do need to alter the sponges for maximum effectiveness. I have 2 course and 2 fine, losing the nitrate removal and carbon sponges. Then just replace the wool pad every week/other week depending on its colour and gunk load. There's also a space inbetween the sponge holders for MORE media. I place a filter bag of Seachem Phosguard in here for phosphate control. So, whoever said the filter's crap doesn't know what they're on about. The heater lacks temperature settings but once tweaked a little bit when setting the tank up and using a decent thermometer you can get it right. As for the lighting unit, i've had no problems.
 
Not totally useless but not as good as externals :) sounds like your getting the most out of yours which is good, mine on the other hand had a pritty poor flow rate so I upgraded.
 
Not totally useless but not as good as externals :) sounds like your getting the most out of yours which is good, mine on the other hand had a pritty poor flow rate so I upgraded.

Bravo...its seems 50/50 for the liker & haters of Juwel. Not bad for this place, I won't be bin'ing mine in a hurry.
 
Hey!!! I'm the proud owner of a Rio 125, and not disappointed. The filter has a lot more media than most internal filters, which makes it a hell of a lot more efficient. Admittedly, you do need to alter the sponges for maximum effectiveness. I have 2 course and 2 fine, losing the nitrate removal and carbon sponges. Then just replace the wool pad every week/other week depending on its colour and gunk load. There's also a space inbetween the sponge holders for MORE media. I place a filter bag of Seachem Phosguard in here for phosphate control. So, whoever said the filter's crap doesn't know what they're on about. The heater lacks temperature settings but once tweaked a little bit when setting the tank up and using a decent thermometer you can get it right. As for the lighting unit, i've had no problems.


Explain why so many people rip the juwel filters out of their tanks then?

With the bigger models such as the Rio 300 and 400 and the Vision 450 the filter is useless if you want to keep any larger sized fish in the tanks, they are designed only with tiny little fish in mind and fail miserably in keeping a tank with Cichlids, predatory catfish or large oddballs clean, and lets face it the majority of people who buy bigger tanks do so because they want to keep bigger fish.

But hey i obviously dont know what i'm talking about, after all i only keep around 2000 gallons of water and have had two juwel tanks both of which are now stripped down to bare glass.
 

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