New To Aquariums - Need Advice

Hey all, 
 
I've followed all the advice on I've recieved on this forum for the last 4 weeks and the fish and aquarium keep looking better and better eash day.  The fish look the happeist they've ever been, they're eating great.  One problem I think I'm having is that the ammonia readings are still higher than 0.  I have 0 reading for nitrites and nitrates are at 20ppm (using API drop test).  Also, it looks like the ph has dropped to 6.0-6.2 from 7.0-7.2 a few weeks ago.  I have not done any water changes as I've been trying to let the cycling happen.  Any reason you can think of for these changes.  I have not been putting any treatments in the water, just letting "fix itself".
 
thanks
 
No water changes? For a month?
 
That, combined with your low KH, is the cause of the pH drop. I have very similar GH (mine is a bit higher than yours) but the same KH and I know that I have to do a water change every week without fail or I am likely to have a pH crash.
 
KH is carbonate hardness; carbonate buffers the pH against changes. When there isn't much carbonate in the water it gets used up quickly leaving nothing to act as a buffer. The natural tendency of fish tanks is to become acidic, so once the carbonate has gone, the pH will fall.
 
Since your pH has dropped I would do a a small water change every day for the next few days, you don't want the pH to increase a lot in one go. That should get your pH back up.
 
Then start changing at least 30% every week.
 
Indeed, i concur that little water changes on a daily basis will help the fish adapt back to the higher pH as well as helping the tank establish itself once again.
 
Am a little confused by one comment you made here
 
PaulDiLollo said:
I have not done any water changes as I've been trying to let the cycling happen.  Any reason you can think of for these changes.  I have not been putting any treatments in the water, just letting "fix itself".
 
 
I am not sure what is meant by this?
 
If the tank was already cycled there would be no reason not to do water changes for any length of time.....
 
BUT if you are still doing a fish in cycle, there is even more importance in doing water changes to keep ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels down to stop these damaging the organs of the fish in the tank.
 
Either way its slightly confusing, can you clarify this please?
 
Ok, the tank was not cycled properly.  I was advised to let the tank cycle to build up nitrates, which it has done.  I've started water changes today.  I'll test tomorrow and see how it looks, and keep with the water chaging until I get it situated.  I'm learning as I go here, so much of this is trial and error for me.
 
PaulDiLollo said:
Ok, the tank was not cycled properly.  I was advised to let the tank cycle to build up nitrates, which it has done.  I've started water changes today.  I'll test tomorrow and see how it looks, and keep with the water chaging until I get it situated.  I'm learning as I go here, so much of this is trial and error for me.
 
The water changes should lower nitrates, so don't let that alarm you (thinking they should remain wherever).  Ammonia and nitrite should be zero.  In post #16 you mention ammonia being higher than zero...what exactly is it?  And have you tested the tap water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate?
 
Jumping ahead a bit, so long as the pH remains below 7, "ammonia" is primarily ammonium which is basically harmless to fish.  As the pH rises above 7, "ammonia" will be more of the toxic ammonia.  You want to see "ammonia" at zero, regardless.  Test kits like the API test ammonia and ammonium together as "ammonia."
 
I just did a water test and the ammonia read between 1-2ppm.  Nitrates were between 5-10ppm and ph was 6.4.  Nitrite was 0.  I have tested my tap water and both ammonia and nitrates were at 0.  I'll keep doing smaller water changes to get the ph back up to 7.  Like I said earler, the fish look fine.  Swimming around, active, eating, etc.  
 
PaulDiLollo said:
I just did a water test and the ammonia read between 1-2ppm.  Nitrates were between 5-10ppm and ph was 6.4.  Nitrite was 0.  I have tested my tap water and both ammonia and nitrates were at 0.  I'll keep doing smaller water changes to get the ph back up to 7.  Like I said earler, the fish look fine.  Swimming around, active, eating, etc.  
 
Something else to be aware of, is the natural and normal lowering of the pH.  The pH is related to the GH and KH, and the higher these latter two are, the more stable will be the pH because, to put it as simply as I can, the hardness "buffers" the pH which prevents fluctuations.  However, this buffering capability is not endless, and the lower the GH/KH the more susceptible the pH will be to natural acidification and lower.  This is not at all bad, so don't be alarmed.  But it is important and has risks.
 
The GH previously was given as 71 and the KH as 53, presumably these numbers are in ppm (parts per million).  This is soft water with a low carbonate hardness, so the pH will be more likely to lower, naturally, as the organics build.  Provided you keep soft water fish species, this will not pose any real problem.
 
What I would do is monitor pH regularly.  And here there are some points to keep in mind.  Always test the pH at roughly the same time each day you test, such as early morning just after the tank light comes on, or some other time is OK.  This is because there is a normal diurnal fluctuation in pH, so it will change during the day/night.  By testing at approximately the same time each day you test, you will get a much better grasp of what the pH is doing, if anything.  Second, the pH will be lowest in the morning, just before the tank light comes on, and highest in the evening when the tank light goes off.  This is part of the diurnal fluctuation.  By testing always in the morning, you will also have a better idea of just how l ow it tends to be.
 
I wouldn't be concerned about getting the tank pH up to the same as the tap water.  As I've said, the natural tendency to acidify (lower) is going to occur here, because the GH/KH are low, and you do not want to be constantly doing things to cause even more fluctuation in the pH.  This can be very detrimental to fish.  Some change is fine, and these occur in nature.  But we want to keep this minimum.  Once you settle in to a normal water change schedule, which should be at least once a week, with the intended fish load, and changing around half the tank volume, you will see the pH stabilizing.  Don't worry about water changes impacting this too much; I suspect they won't.  But each aquarium will establish its own biological system, and this can vary from tank to tank; I have 8 tanks in my fish room, with identical water changers using plain tap water, and comparable fish loads, and there are varying pH levels that are quite stable.
 
It would be helpful to find out the source of the ammonia.  But so long as the pH is below 7, this is at least not an issue for the fish.  Are there live plants?  These take up ammonia/ammonium quite rapidly, relative to the growth rate (faster growing plants like floating plants use more).
 
Byron.
 

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