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My Mudskipper Paludarium

Thanks, Biulu.

You got that right, the reason for the M-F ratio is the supply. I had three males and considered myself very lucky to get one female later on. But if I'd get to choose, I'd have it the other way around.
It's not just about getting mudskippers, you see, but getting the same species of 'skippers. There are about 30 species of mudskippers, after all, each randomly imported...

About plants I'd say no, they don't need them. I've had other species of mudskipers and some of them have spent a lot more time submerged in water than than P. septemradiatus. But these guys sometimes spend time floating on top of vegetation like Vallisneria. As long as it keeps their eyes above the surface, they seem to be happy.

Mostly plants in this tank are for me. Well, Samolus is a good place for the female (smallest of the bunch) to hide into, when the males are too keen on her.
 
james the upc pipe he is on about is called plastic conduit you can get it from all electrical wholesalers in sizes 20mm 25mm and 32mm also the spring is simply called a bending spring

the plastic conduit usually comes in 3m lengths

knew being a sparky would come in handy one day :D
 
Fantastic, cheers HX and Chris. Found the stuff on eBay now. Just a little concerned by the colour i've found - black. When i come to coat it in epoxy resin i'll be adding different grains of sand/shavings to texture/colour it to so some extent, is there anything else you can use to colour it. I've had this issue before when i asked you HX, about the coloured grout. Well i'll be avoiding this rout i think if i can help it as on my tester peice i did few months ago it really was quite a fail IMO.
 
you will get it cheaper of a wholesaler mate they will do deals depending on how much you buy and it will be white ;)
 
Thanks for the clarification, walkers101.

I'd gladly take black. All we have is the yellowish stuff in my pics.
 
For retaining moisture/heat in the tank how do you go about this? I know it can all get rather fancyfull and technically involved, but there has to be an element of guess work. I'm concidering buying a plexi-glass or pvs tray to sit on the top, gradually increasing the 'open' sections as and when i deem appropriate going by conditions inside the tank (ie heat, condensation, vapour ect). If that makes sense. I wonder how they manage it as i've seen terrestial paludaiums consisting of 3 sides glass, with the front one open for viewing pleasure, with nothing more than a plexi-glass screen toward the lower front to hold back the water section.

And i've been researching, but coming up slightly fruitless in my searches. Lots showing their paludariums, but none explaining much how they maintain there conditions. Obviously local climate will help, like those in Asia will cool theirs more, but those of use in Europe will have a mixture of both cooling and heating issues during different times of the year.

I'm going to tootle off now to continue my search, but i'd love to hear more about how you manage yours if possible.
 
For retaining moisture/heat in the tank how do you go about this? I know it can all get rather fancyfull and technically involved, but there has to be an element of guess work. I'm concidering buying a plexi-glass or pvs tray to sit on the top, gradually increasing the 'open' sections as and when i deem appropriate going by conditions inside the tank (ie heat, condensation, vapour ect). If that makes sense. I wonder how they manage it as i've seen terrestial paludaiums consisting of 3 sides glass, with the front one open for viewing pleasure, with nothing more than a plexi-glass screen toward the lower front to hold back the water section.

And i've been researching, but coming up slightly fruitless in my searches. Lots showing their paludariums, but none explaining much how they maintain there conditions. Obviously local climate will help, like those in Asia will cool theirs more, but those of use in Europe will have a mixture of both cooling and heating issues during different times of the year.

I'm going to tootle off now to continue my search, but i'd love to hear more about how you manage yours if possible.

I think there is always an element of guess work, in every paludarium. And on the other hand, I mostly can't see the reason for overly fancy technology.

Every palu I've made has been different. But the bigger they are, the easier the conditions are to handle.
What I can't stand is condensation on the front glass. When replacing the front glass of this tank I put a short glass to the left end of the tank, to be able to install mesh/fan/both in there if there'd be condensational issues. I have a glass top, open on the front about 10 cm. The back glass is wet most of the time (from condensation), but the front never.
The only thing I need to do is teach the skipper to not splash water on the front glass.

Every tank seems to be different, and things like the ambient temperature in the room the tank is in makes a difference in condensation, too.
I'm a big fan of open front palus, whenever possible faunawise. Got one going. The problem is, I'd have to have a huge spray/ultrasonic fog humidifier to keep any plants that need high humidity.
If interested, go check it out at APC.

Basically I think the rule is: If you don't need close to 100% RH around the clock, you can make it with just "gravitational" ventilation. Position the intake to keep the front glass dry ant the output close to the lights/other heat source.
And if you do need about 100%, make an internal air circulation with a fan and very small, adjustable ventilation holes. Circulation is always needed to keep mold away.

Good luck with figuring out your needs. There are as many solutions as there are tanks...
 
As it stands on the tank i have, that will be converted to the paludarium, the cover glass at the top has constant condensation on the underside. This is whilst it is filled to the top, i don't know if lowering it will alter this for when its filled to 1/3 as i plan to do. At each end of the tank there is an open section which is 2" wide and runs the depth of the tank, which is 16". These are the only two open sections as it stands, i plan on getting two perspex sheets to silicon in these gaps and have 2 sections cut out on each end for some ventilation mesh. Inside the tank i shall have either 1 or 2 air stones under the water surface to aid moisture dispersal (something i read helps), there will also be filtration in the form of an external filter. I'm hoping this will be enough for me to keep the submerged and emerged plan-life i plan (explained in a minute).

The room itself it is situated in is quite a stable room in terms of average temperature. My aquariums sit at a very contant 25/26C pretty much all year aorund, which is good. So hopefully the paludarium will be the same once converted, i'm expecting some fluctuations as there will be more air space which is far more unstable for retaining temperature/moisture than that of water.

Everywhere i've read states a hygrometer is required to measure humidity levels. How "required" would you say it is, i'm hoping personally to do all this by guess work. Constant trial and error to see how it goes, mainly because my budget can't include the cost of such equipment right now. I'm already thinking of upgrading my lighting from x2 36W T5HO to x3 54W T5's. Obviously at first though i'll stick with what i've got. I've read the entire thread of your APC paludarium, then cleaned up a flood of drool on the floor, and finally sat back and was dumbfounded. Amazing doesnt even come close. I noticed you struggled with underwater plant growth initially, and i'm expecting the same, but i don't really plan on much in the way of submerged growth. Only perhaps slow growers such as Anubias species and the odd Cryptocoryne that do well in lower light, possibly some vallisneria. The land mass i have a few ideas, but really know nothing about true terrestial plants that i can use. I have ideas about Hemianthus Callicthoides and Pogostemon Helferi, but nothing set in stone yet.

Really appreciate your input. I have high hopes for mine, only because i've always been relatively creative, and my artistic skills are better than what most people usually hope for, but are by no means brilliant haha! Your harrypotterian design really appealed to me, and is pretty much how i envisage my land-piece turning out. A simplified version though that looks a little less like its straight out of a film-set.


How are the mudskippers and their environment doing?
 
As it stands on the tank i have, that will be converted to the paludarium, the cover glass at the top has constant condensation on the underside. This is whilst it is filled to the top, i don't know if lowering it will alter this for when its filled to 1/3 as i plan to do. At each end of the tank there is an open section which is 2" wide and runs the depth of the tank, which is 16". These are the only two open sections as it stands, i plan on getting two perspex sheets to silicon in these gaps and have 2 sections cut out on each end for some ventilation mesh. Inside the tank i shall have either 1 or 2 air stones under the water surface to aid moisture dispersal (something i read helps), there will also be filtration in the form of an external filter. I'm hoping this will be enough for me to keep the submerged and emerged plan-life i plan (explained in a minute).
The first gut feeling I got was that I'd mesh the whole open sections in the ends. It's easy to make additional pieces to cover a portion of the meshed parts, but tough to add ventilation to glued perspex. Adjustability never hurts. But unless you plan on going for ventilating with fans, small spots in corners sound a bit undersized to my mind.
Airstones help with moisture and the return of the external filter can be rigged to help even more, up to a full-scale dripwall or such.


The room itself it is situated in is quite a stable room in terms of average temperature. My aquariums sit at a very contant 25/26C pretty much all year aorund, which is good. So hopefully the paludarium will be the same once converted, i'm expecting some fluctuations as there will be more air space which is far more unstable for retaining temperature/moisture than that of water.
Everywhere i've read states a hygrometer is required to measure humidity levels. How "required" would you say it is, i'm hoping personally to do all this by guess work. Constant trial and error to see how it goes, mainly because my budget can't include the cost of such equipment right now.
You're spot on with that thinking.
Condensation depends on the temperature difference between the tank airspace and the ambient room temperature. The cooler the room, the more condensation, naturally.
It is typical with paludariums that lighting warms up the airspace during lit hours. When lights go off, the temperature drops back to what depends on the room temperature and the water temperature.

What happens with this fluctuation is that when temperature rises inside the tank, the relative humidity drops. Unless you either diminish ventilation or increase evaporation, or both. And that's why it's almost impossible to follow the true RH without a gauge.
Airstones can be used effectively here, for example by controlling them along with the lighting controls.



I'm already thinking of upgrading my lighting from x2 36W T5HO to x3 54W T5's. Obviously at first though i'll stick with what i've got. I've read the entire thread of your APC paludarium, then cleaned up a flood of drool on the floor, and finally sat back and was dumbfounded. Amazing doesnt even come close. I noticed you struggled with underwater plant growth initially, and i'm expecting the same, but i don't really plan on much in the way of submerged growth. Only perhaps slow growers such as Anubias species and the odd Cryptocoryne that do well in lower light, possibly some vallisneria. The land mass i have a few ideas, but really know nothing about true terrestial plants that i can use. I have ideas about Hemianthus Callicthoides and Pogostemon Helferi, but nothing set in stone yet.

Really appreciate your input. I have high hopes for mine, only because i've always been relatively creative, and my artistic skills are better than what most people usually hope for, but are by no means brilliant haha! Your harrypotterian design really appealed to me, and is pretty much how i envisage my land-piece turning out. A simplified version though that looks a little less like its straight out of a film-set.


How are the mudskippers and their environment doing?
Ehhehee. Thanks for the words, mate.
Yeah, I had a lot of trouble getting the submerged vegetation right at first. I'm running a sump in the tank, so CO2 issues are tough. Now that the tank's matured, it produces more plants than I'm bothering to harvest, so it looks a bit of a jungle most of the time.
Also have a stubborn BBA-problem and every now and then I'm thinking about adding CO2-suplementation.

Wow, you're brave, thinking about HC emersed. I imagine it needs close to 100% RH and is very delicate to humidity drops?
Terrestrial plants really depend mostly on what sort of humidity you're going for. But if HC is going to survive, then what you need is rainforest plants and mosses. Anything else will rot with that humidity, I think...

Lighting should do it for the emersed plants. What is needed for the submersed growth is anybody's guess. Depends on light positioning, also.

In the stream I'm running 6 x 28 W T5HO:s and a total of 70 W PC:s scattered. But the tank is 2,4 meters long, so comparing must be done by a meter or something.
The mudskipperarium's only got 2 x 58 W tubes for now. Not a whole lot for a 500+ l (140 gal) tank.

I'm looking forward to your outcome!
Be sure to poke me when you start a construction blog.

Mudsies are doing great, veggies recovering and even thriving. Samolus seedlings, anyone?
 
Thanks so much!

Meanwhile, I attended a slowfood "festival" with aquaponics.fi. The weekend was very successful and I came home with an interesting package:
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Opened it
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WOW:
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100 W. I don't know if I'm up to even testing the color in the tank...
 
How are your little skippies doing? I was just thinking about them the other day lol. Can you post some more pics of them?:wub:
 
How are your little skippies doing? I was just thinking about them the other day lol. Can you post some more pics of them?:wub:

They're doing great. I think. Well, active and healthy looking anyway. Thanks, I'll try and take new pics of them.



Meanwhile, I installed the new led fixture.

The original lighting with T3s, 58 W Aquastar, 58 W 6500K and 38 W 6500K
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The Valoya led fixture alone:
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Wow.


Valoya 100 W and a correction with 38 W 6500K T3
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Takes some getting used to. But I promised to give it a try, so I will.
 
Thanks for the only positive comment on the growlight so far.
I'm looking for a good place to order some 20 000K T3:s to try if they would compensate the color...

But if the led fixture does what it claims, then who cares? I can live with it. Red is the new pale white!

A link to the type of led fixture we are talking about.
It's the B100 AP67.
 

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