Is My New Boy A Tail Biter? Pix

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Please help! I just got my pretty orange HM a few weeks ago. There was a small split in his dorsal which healed up with Melafix. A few weeks later, I find a chunk out of his back fin. He otherwise looks great, is eating, swimming, flaring, but I'm worried. I can't lose another little HM to fin rot. Is this fin rot or tail biting?

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Those are two possiblities, but HM's often get tears in the tails because of their long fins. If he swims alot or turns really fasts his tail may get a bit of whiplash. Try reducing traffic near his tank so he doesn't jerk around alot.
 
Another one is the filter (of course IF the tank is filtered) which may have caught his tail.
Additional point would be that melafix while a decent antiseptic isn't actually a bactericide, so while it may have delayed the advance of rot, it wouldn't neccessarily have killed the bacteria responsible off.... Can anyone confirm this about Melafix?
 
It's hard to tell from your picture, I'd need a close up of his tail. But I can tell you of my experiences with bettas biting their tails.

It seems to be environmental in cause. When I kept my 2 male bettas together in a 10 gallon (divided) tank, they both started biting. Then I separated them each to their own 10 gallon (with tankmates) and it stopped for a while. However it seems one betta did not like living with the snails, he started to flare and bite again, so I switched him to the other 10, (with the cardinals) and so far that seems to have stopped the biting.........

Does your betta seem to swim in a sort of "S" shape where he's always trying to look at his tail? One of mine did that for a while when he was biting......

So if you've ruled out finrot, or a filter accident, try to rearrange his tank, maybe add a background to reduce reflection.
 
Another one is the filter (of course IF the tank is filtered) which may have caught his tail.
Additional point would be that melafix while a decent antiseptic isn't actually a bactericide, so while it may have delayed the advance of rot, it wouldn't neccessarily have killed the bacteria responsible off.... Can anyone confirm this about Melafix?
Germ, I have always been under the impression melafix is an anti-bacterial med so would be quite effective at treating fin rot.
Took this from the link "Melafix Vs. Bettafix": ...University of Western Australia microbiologist Dr Tom Riley, and PhD student Christina Carson have found that the oil will kill many bacteria present in a number of common infections, including some of the staphylococcus and streptococcus bacteria...(referring to melafix)
Heres the source http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=57172
Maybe you are thinking of pima fix which is an anti-fungal med (also discussed in above article)
See ya around, you prophet of doom you :p

Drew
 
Heres the source http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=57172
Maybe you are thinking of pima fix which is an anti-fungal med (also discussed in above article)
See ya around, you prophet of doom you :p
Drew
Noo...
Definately melafix, perhaps i phrased my point poorly, but from what i've read its antibacterial properties are extremely mild, so while 'bactericidal' technically, with the onset of more serious bacterial infection, commonly in cases of fin-rot; aeromonas, pseudomonas or flexibacter (according to my sources :shifty: ) a true and more powerful bacterial medication should be used :dunno:
Thanks for the link though, i'll definately look into it some more, cheers Poopsy you err.... donor you....
 
Another one is the filter (of course IF the tank is filtered) which may have caught his tail.Additional point would be that melafix while a decent antiseptic isn't actually a bactericide, so while it may have delayed the advance of rot, it wouldn't neccessarily have killed the bacteria responsible off.... Can anyone confirm this about Melafix?
The filter is separated by a plastic divider so he cannot get anywhere near it. Sorry, I also treated him with Furan 2 - an antibacterial med.
It's hard to tell from your picture, I'd need a close up of his tail. But I can tell you of my experiences with bettas biting their tails. It seems to be environmental in cause. When I kept my 2 male bettas together in a 10 gallon (divided) tank, they both started biting. Then I separated them each to their own 10 gallon (with tankmates) and it stopped for a while. However it seems one betta did not like living with the snails, he started to flare and bite again, so I switched him to the other 10, (with the cardinals) and so far that seems to have stopped the biting......... Does your betta seem to swim in a sort of "S" shape where he's always trying to look at his tail? One of mine did that for a while when he was biting......So if you've ruled out finrot, or a filter accident, try to rearrange his tank, maybe add a background to reduce reflection.
Hi, Stacey - i fyou click on the link above the pix, it will enlarge so you can really see the chunk. He's alone in his tank = there is very little trafic in the area, and nothing in the tank except silk plants and his little clay pot. He does short of swim in an "S" but I have never seen him go for his tail. I will rearrange his location and see what happens. Thx.
 
Heres the source http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=57172
Maybe you are thinking of pima fix which is an anti-fungal med (also discussed in above article)
See ya around, you prophet of doom you :p
Drew
Noo...
Definately melafix, perhaps i phrased my point poorly, but from what i've read its antibacterial properties are extremely mild, so while 'bactericidal' technically, with the onset of more serious bacterial infection, commonly in cases of fin-rot; aeromonas, pseudomonas or flexibacter (according to my sources :shifty: ) a true and more powerful bacterial medication should be used :dunno:
Thanks for the link though, i'll definately look into it some more, cheers Poopsy you err.... donor you....
hmm interesting. Is there any way you could cite your source so I could investigate this further? The rare times I have had to deal with fin rot, Melafix has been quite helpful, to the best of my knowledge. Of course, I have no control so no way to really see how effective it is versus nothing or a different treatment, but it seems to have helped. Also were the above bacteria you listed the ones commonly associated with fin rot and if so, there must be more? Perhaps Melafix is more effective against one type of bacteria (associated with finrot) when compared to another. This leads me to think that maybe melafix is most effective against the major bacteria that causes finrot, but not others. I guess I am off to do some research. If you could provide your sources that would be a major help. Talk to you soon,

Drew

Edit- To the OP, sorry if I am hijacking your thread, I just find the Melafix "thing" interesting.
 
On the types of bacteria most commonly involved;
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/disease/p/finrot.htm
http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/finrot.htm
http://www.jbl.de/onlinehospitaluk/perpict...lickedPic=004_d
A good example would be that flexibacter, while in a mild state (obviously depending on the sub-genera(or whatever) may be treatable, once it has developed into one of the most commonly seen forms of flexibacter (flexibacter columnaris), you would, imo need something more potent than melafix, or at least i'd assume thats the general consensus....

Not got time to find any links as concerns Melafix, but i will :nod: i've seen a few in the past, as an antiseptic it should control to an extent or slow the onset of fin-rot and if the damage is environmental without fin-rot having developed/taken hold then melafix is all you really need, as your really using its antiseptic properties as a preventative while the fishes tail heals naturally, at least thats my understanding.

I'm on a break from work but i'll do my best to find some info on Melafix tomorrow.
 
when my betta had fin rot i used Maracyn and before the five day treatment was even over i noticed it had stopped tearing and started growing back, his tail is almost fully intact again.
 
when my betta had fin rot i used Maracyn and before the five day treatment was even over i noticed it had stopped tearing and started growing back, his tail is almost fully intact again.
Thats good to know but we are trying to figure out how effective melafix is against the bacteria that causes fin rot (in a nutshell). To tell if it really had any effect you would have to have some kind of control in that situation.
Still doing some research germ, talk to you tomorrow.

Drew
 
If you ave got any barbs there known as fin/tail nippers. Especially my old tiger barbs which died when i was new to the hobby a couple of years ago. "crys"
 
If you ave got any barbs there known as fin/tail nippers. Especially my old tiger barbs which died when i was new to the hobby a couple of years ago. "crys"

He's alone - no other fishies in the tank w/him
 

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