Hello, Need Advice (quiet Urgent)

all 3 are still in the land of the living. and are in a much improved state. bought some dechlorinater and put some treatment in the water and (less importantly) a thermometer (a proper one) couldn't buy an API kit at the pet shop though so i'll have to order one.
 
Excellent, things are looking up and I commend you for wanting and working to save these fish's lives!

In answer to the questioning by the beginner up there.. yes this is the right idea to be worried about the chlorine/chloramine from your water authority being able to kill your bacteria, but in practice one is never quite sure of the extent of this. Often a certain percentage (or even seemingly a majority) of the bacteria will live through this. There is quite a difference though, depending on the maturity of the bacterial biofilms, which help bacteria to withstand external assaults. If the bacteria are quite new and young they are more vulnerable, whereas an old, mature colony can easily withstand a 10% water change with no dechlor for instance... although again, it must be remembered one usually does not know the extent of chlorination and that can vary largely.

Obviously, you've already made the choice for the API Freshwater Master Test Kit, but I do think you'll be pleased with that. Its what many of us here like and use. A GH/KH liquid test kit can also be useful but is not necessarily a neccessity if one wants to save money until one knows its really needed.

Water changes (done with the right technique) will be your friend, especially prior to having your kit and knowing the water situation in more detail. These are pretty big fish that will be putting significant water through their gills, so don't underestimate how quickly they may be able to foul the water!

~~waterdrop~~
 
Excellent, things are looking up and I commend you for wanting and working to save these fish's lives!

In answer to the questioning by the beginner up there.. yes this is the right idea to be worried about the chlorine/chloramine from your water authority being able to kill your bacteria, but in practice one is never quite sure of the extent of this. Often a certain percentage (or even seemingly a majority) of the bacteria will live through this. There is quite a difference though, depending on the maturity of the bacterial biofilms, which help bacteria to withstand external assaults. If the bacteria are quite new and young they are more vulnerable, whereas an old, mature colony can easily withstand a 10% water change with no dechlor for instance... although again, it must be remembered one usually does not know the extent of chlorination and that can vary largely.

Obviously, you've already made the choice for the API Freshwater Master Test Kit, but I do think you'll be pleased with that. Its what many of us here like and use. A GH/KH liquid test kit can also be useful but is not necessarily a neccessity if one wants to save money until one knows its really needed.

Water changes (done with the right technique) will be your friend, especially prior to having your kit and knowing the water situation in more detail. These are pretty big fish that will be putting significant water through their gills, so don't underestimate how quickly they may be able to foul the water!

~~waterdrop~~

thankyou.

i chose the API mostly due to lurking here for about a year and seeing the recommendations :)

how often would you recommend changing the water (and how much each time) with no other info than that i have given already. i'd have thought 20-25% once a week, obviously this is just my best guess. i haven't ordered the API kit just yet, need to check my balance. do you know the cheapest place online to buy it (i think i said already that my local petshop didn't carry it and didn't think any of the other local ones did either.)
 
Cheapest place is on e-bay or Charterhouse have them at 18.95 + p&p :
Charterhouse API

I use this price at maidenhead aquatics my local LFS and get a price match.

Water changes will really depend on how well the filter bacteria survived the move and the untreated water. You may want to consider daily water changes until you have your test kit.
 
Cheapest place is on e-bay or Charterhouse have them at 18.95 + p&p :
Charterhouse API

I use this price at maidenhead aquatics my local LFS and get a price match.

Water changes will really depend on how well the filter bacteria survived the move and the untreated water. You may want to consider daily water changes until you have your test kit.

thanks and thanks again, i'll do a water change tomorrow (to late tonight really) how much would you recommend i change? 1/5, 1/4?
 
API masters fresh water kit bought and paid for, hopefully should be here before the end of the week.

quick question/observation. i'm keeping the light on for 10 hours of the day at the moment (will do it for 8 normally) although i accidentally left it on for 12 :/ not that this is important but last night when i turned the light off at about 10pm everyone was fine, no hassle, tonight i turn it off and one of the gourmis acted quite startled and the bala seemed very agitated and attacked the new thermometer twice (which he'd ignored all day up till the point at which the lights went out).

is this normal behaviour?
 
The fish may just take a while to settle in and get used to a routine.

I'd recommend getting a timer for your lights, its a cheap option and will ensure a regular routine for the fish regarding when and how long the lights are on for.

I think a good recommendation regarding water changes would be 50% a week as the gourami looks fairly large from the picture and large water changes will help keep your water fresh until you know that your filter can cope with the bioload in the tank.

Until you get your testing kit you could do a smaller change everyday, maybe 25-30%

Andy
 
The fish may just take a while to settle in and get used to a routine.

I'd recommend getting a timer for your lights, its a cheap option and will ensure a regular routine for the fish regarding when and how long the lights are on for.

I think a good recommendation regarding water changes would be 50% a week as the gourami looks fairly large from the picture and large water changes will help keep your water fresh until you know that your filter can cope with the bioload in the tank.

Until you get your testing kit you could do a smaller change everyday, maybe 25-30%

Andy

thanks for the advice, i'll get on to it tomorrow morning, going to need some more de-chlorinater i think :crazy:

gourami are about 6" long, so yeah, quite big! i'll look at buying a timer, argos a good bet?
 
what a pain in the butt XD, just changed the water (25%) and i think i got more on the floor than in the tank, still the fish seem much brighter for it, the gouramis aren't facing off nearly as much and the bala seems a bit more nippy.
 
Water changing is a major activity in this hobby. The members can help you refine your technique and you'll also get better at it the more you do. The fish will respond to fresh water, you'll begin to be able to notice more and more details of this, its what being a good fishkeeper is all about. Good for you for starting to get a handle on it.

~~waterdrop~~
edit: spelling
 
the API kit arrived just now and i've immediately done a water test, here's my results:

PH 7.6
Ammonia: .025
nitrates: 20/40
nitrites: 0 (but i've seen people with this lighter blue colour before and it turned out it was off the scale.)

i'm keeping a record book and i've taken a picture of the results.

DSC_0439.jpg


i assume a water change is in order, but how much?
 
and just because i can't go a day without something going wrong one of the test tubes decided that it was a good idea to slip out of my hands as soon as i'd gotten off the nice thick carpet and to throw itself on to the bathroom tiles. bloody thing!
 

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