GOLDFISH??!?!?!?!?!

Nina7777

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Hi All-
I have a question about goldfish! I wasn't sure where to put it though!

My friend is buying a 5 gallon aquaurium and wants to put 4 goldfish in it. I tried telling her that that seems a bit much! But she keeps insisting that when she was a kid she had 6 goldfish in a 1 gallon fish bowl and that they lived for many many years.

Does anyone out there know anything about goldfish?!?!?!?! As I have been searching online but keep reading different opinions, such as 1 fish pr 10 gallons, or 3 fish per gallon...etc. etc.

Please Help!!!!!!
 
5 gallons is too small for even one goldfish.

They need a pond or a huge aquarium with very good filtration.
Goldies produce alot of waste and need swimming room. It's cruel to put them in a tiny tank. :/

If they are very very tiny babies they will be fine for a little while, but really DO need a pond or huge tank with good filtration.

They are also coldwater fish and you can't mix them with neons/tropicals.

I raise and breed goldfish- so you can take this for gold.
 
Actually, it's not true that goldfish and tropicals can't go together - I have a shubunkin goldfish which has lived, for 2 years now, in total harmony with my tropicals. They don't mind the raised temperature, after all goldfish DO come from hotter climes anyway...
 
Samage said:
Actually, it's not true that goldfish and tropicals can't go together - I have a shubunkin goldfish which has lived, for 2 years now, in total harmony with my tropicals. They don't mind the raised temperature, after all goldfish DO come from hotter climes anyway...
This is true but tropicals won't be ok in cooler water.

I agree, that is way too small. I have goldfish and I don't think they have enough room but my tank is a palace compared to 6 in a 5 gallon. Does she know about stunting and the eventual size and life span of goldfish if they are treated properly?
 
Now it is true that coldwater fish can be kept in temperatures of up to 27 degress celsius however, this is not advisable as it tends to affect the fishes metabolic rate and fish designed to live in cooler waters will have a different system designed for these cooler waters in comparison to tropical fish. As for four goldfish in a five gallon, NO WAY. Ask your friend how long her goldfish actually lived for. She may say 5-10years thinking that is old for a goldfish but it isn't a goldfish kept in the right condition easily reaches 15-20 years and often even up to 30 years. Goldfish can reach up to 12 inches depending on breed, bloodline etc. By keeping a goldfish in that size tank you will stunt the growth and so its internal organs will slowly out grow it externaly causing a slow and painful death. The minimum tank size I would recommend for a goldfish for life would be 20 gallons in which she could happily house three, if your friend does not wish to upgrade then maybe she could try a smaller coldwater fish like Golden Minnows or White Cloud Moutain Minnows.
 
My shubunkin is only in the tropical tank til he gets a bit bigger....

After that, he'll be off to play with the big boys in me outside pond. Which I think will be a more suitable environment.
 
I know this is a pretty old topic (I came across it on Google), but I've got a five gallon and it's advertised as a goldfish tank. I know some of you who regularly go on the beginners forum are sick of me saying this ( :p tough potatoes :p ), but my Mum and Dad and Nan and Grandad think it's fine to keep two or so goldfish in that tank. My Mum says exactly the same thing as nina7777's friend, that she had two goldfish in a tank smaller than mine and they lived for donkey's years and only grew this big *hold up fingers to aboooout 2 inches*. I was going to bring up the subject that they usually live 15-20 years and what happens to their organs, but my sister was in the room, and she thinks she's an expert (even though what she knows about fish can be put on the back of a postage stamp(but only if you write big :p) and just agrees with what everyone else says, the ignorant little... :band: *drowns out what I think of her generally with funky rock music*
 
I think it's time you sent your family over to this forum to express their views. I'm sure we could set them straight.

I'm going to tell you a little story now - you may want to pass it on ;) It's true and I think it may make it simpler for non-fishy people to relate to fish.

I once knew this guy who lives in France. I can't remember exactly where but it was just outside Paris and we've unfortunately lost touch now. Anyway, he was a great character but severely disabled. He is a distant relative I think as it was my cousin who introduced him to me and mentioned something about him being related to my aunt or something. He explained that he had a rare inherited genetic disease. Can't remember the name for the life of me. I'm certain a google search would turn it up. He is about half my height and I'm about 1.63 so he looks like a dwarf height-wise. However, he also looks abnormaly bloated with ordinary arms/legs etc but 'lumpy' body. He has to use a wheel chair to move around and his sister has to take care of him and all the jobs around the house because he cannot get up and move around. He is destined to die young which is unfortunate considering he is very clever and great company. When younger, he was completely normal. It was as he got older that it became apparent he had the disease. It was eventualy found that what he has caused his body to stop growing. His internal organs continue growing normaly though. He needs operations and medical help to keep his vital organs working and part of his lung had to be removed when it colapsed due to being crushed against his other organs as they out-grow his body.
Obviously, that doesn't sound nice or pleasant so I hope this old friend won't mind me using him as an example to help you and others relate to fish being stunted...
Now consider this is what happens to a goldfish when kept in a small bowl. Unfortunately for the goldfish, there is no medical help available and no loving family or friends to help make life more pleasant. A stunted goldfish will grow to the size of the tank, true, BUT, it's internal organs will NOT. Eventualy the fish's organs are crushed. As this happens gradualy, the fish slowly wastes away. At first it seems normal but it slowly begins to appear bloated. Sometimes you can't tell at all. Eventualy the poor fish has to suffer the slow, painful death as it's insides out-grow the outside. Would you want to have this on your conscience? Are you aware that a goldfish can easily live for 40 years if looked after properly?

The guideline with goldfish should be 1 fish for 20 gallons and then 10 gallons added for each additional fish. As such, four fish need 50 gallons. Granted, fancy types don't grow as large or live as long. HOWEVER, I personaly take this guideline to be for the fancy types. Comets, shubunkins, sarasas, commons and some of the larger fancy types need 20 gallons per fish or more. I would think a pond is much more suitable. Remember these fish get to 12".
Considering that no one would keep a 12" oscar in less than 75 gallons, even if completely alone, I think suggesting a goldfish can live in a 20 gallon is being very generous already.

5 gallons is out of the question.
 
Totally agree.
I got my daughter a 5g aquarium for Christmas. She knew about it and said great I can have a goldfish now and on some occasions when I have been to my LFS she has looked at some and said when I get my tank and it is ready for a fish can I have one of those please.
I have now managed to talk her out of getting a goldfish after showing her the medium size of a fancy and told her that it is possible that the goldfish will get bigger than the ones in the tank at the LFS and asked her if she thought it would be fair to keep a fish that size in a tank the size of the one that she has.
Her answer was, "No it won't be fair the poor thing won't have room to swim!" (She is only 7)
I told her that I have a spare heater and if she wants a tropical fish then we can look at some when the tank is ready. I am hopeing to get her come to her senses even more and get her to have a beautiful betta.
Like I said on another thread putting a goldfish in a 5g is like putting a baby in a box and expecting it to live in the box all of its life.
 

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