Fishless Cycle - Results So Far

perhaps if stormy's got too much time on his hands he could do an experiment for us, add the 5ppm of ammonia gradually over the course of the day, monitor for ammonia and nitrite hourly over 12 hrs and see what happens. would be more like a real simulation of a stocked tank that way.
That would be interesting to see. I have thought of how it would work to do a drip line of ammonia during fishless cycliing to see how it went. I think that once nitrite is being processed to the point that you are seeing nitrate climb, if the 5 ppm were added over the period of 24 hours, say .25 ppm per hour, you would probably not see a nitrite reading at all as it could probably be processed almost as fast as it it created. That's just a theory though and I haven't had a chance to test it.
 
Oh yes, I love it! We need a retired person!

"What are you doing honey?" :*

... "Nuthin Hun, just sitting here on the stool holding my ammonia dropper over the tank!" :-(

Seriously, that is just how I've been picturing the nitrite situation near the end of fishless and I think you would actually get some anecdotal evidence if you spread out very small ammonia adds across a whole day, adding up to 5ppm (Hey, we'll get Lioness to do it after she gets back from Memorial day! :lol: )

~~waterdrop~~
 
Lol yeah i can't see anyone sitting with a drip line or anything like that, but you could do say 10 doses of ammonia each taking it to 0.5ppm over the course of a day and see how it progresses.


hope you didn't have any plans for the weekend stormy!!! :lol: :D
 
hope you didn't have any plans for the weekend stormy!!! :lol: :D

:crazy: Erm..... I probably could add 0.5ml every few hours on Saturday, it gives me an excuse to miss a kids party :good: lol.

So does it look like I'm cycled or not? I'm a tad confused. If I am great I would love to add some stock over the bank holiday weekend. If not then I will plough on!

My PH is definatly fluctuating as this morning it was around 6.3 and I am planning on doing a total water change tonight.

Also I have hair algea growing in the tank. Am I ok to use a hair algea remover or should I wait until I'm cycled?!?
 
Stormy, we're all just having so much fun chatting in your nice long thread that we've quite forgotten your fishless cycle! :lol:

Last few entries you made sure made it look you are still quite spiked on nitrites after 12 hours, if that's true then you really need to keep going along. Its when your nitrites start being down below 1ppm at the 12 hour mark that I would think you could think about adding fish (apologies if I've missed entries and you are there..)

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks Waterdrop, I will leave it be then. The PH was just 6.58 so it seems higher than this morning and therefore I wont do a full water change just yet. I am going to take one bucket out after the 8pm results so I can get some of the plant debris/algea off the gravel.

My Nitrites may already be lower and its just me not being able to read the result card correctly! I just tested Ammonia and it was at the 1.00ppm mark and Nitrites were either 5ppm or 1ppm depending upon me being an idiot lol
 
Day 39 (Wednesday 21st May)

Tested Ammonia at 8.00am
Ammonia: 0.00ppm
NitrIte: 0.25pm
NitrAte: 20
PH: 6.26

Ammonia was raised to 5ppm

Tested Ammonia at 8.00pm
Ammonia: 1.00ppm
NitrIte: 1.00ppm (My wife thought the shade was far closer to 1ppm than 5ppm)
NitrAte: 40 ppm
PH: 6.49

I am wondering if I'm adding too much Ammonia each day? The tank is 190L however with everything in there Im not sure how many Litres of water there actually is. There are 4 bags of Caribsea Eco complete in there along with the Juwel back grounds, 3 peices of bogwood, plants, slate etc. So Im guessing that there is about 170L useable and thats what I have based all my Ammonia maths on. Its hard to tell on the API kits as theu jump from 4ppm to 8ppm. Am I close or way off the mark?
 
I honestly think you are cycled. The fact that 5 ml of ammonia is back to 0 in less than 24 hours (the nitrite could be 0 in 16 hours since you are only checking at 8 AM & 8 PM) leads me to believe you would be fine to add fish. You might try cutting back to say 3 ppm of ammonia tomorrow morning and see if that is all gone by 8 PM. But once again, I do not think you would have any issues if you did the large water change and added your fish.
 
I honestly think you are cycled. The fact that 5 ml of ammonia is back to 0 in less than 24 hours (the nitrite could be 0 in 16 hours since you are only checking at 8 AM & 8 PM) leads me to believe you would be fine to add fish. You might try cutting back to say 3 ppm of ammonia tomorrow morning and see if that is all gone by 8 PM. But once again, I do not think you would have any issues if you did the large water change and added your fish.

Thanks RDD, I think I will add 3ppm Ammonia tomorrow as you say and see how it goes. If all is well I will continue to do this until Sunday and then stock the tank! :hyper: Should I stock lightly at first? I would like to add 2 male Apistogramma cacatuoides, 4 female Apistogramma cacatuoides, 12-15 Cardinals initially. Then after a week or so I plan to add 12 or so Rummy Nose Tetra's. Then after another week or 2 add some Oto's and maybe 6 corys.

If I am truely cycled then thanks everybody for your help, especially Miss Wiggle, BTT, Waterdrop and RDD, if I'm not cycled.... perpare for more questions soon! lol
 
That's GREAT! and you got it from Mr.Fishless himself, lol.

Hey BTT (if still looking) ... I'm trying to find the thread where I finally figured out that there is indeed another Hovanec article later than the '96 one I've quoted in the past - any chance you remember what thread we discussed that in - I was going to try and mention it in the scientific one..

~~waterdrop~~
 
Cheers Waterdrop, as I said above you guys have been great throughout so fingers crossed I am finally there!
 
I honestly think you are cycled. The fact that 5 ml of ammonia is back to 0 in less than 24 hours (the nitrite could be 0 in 16 hours since you are only checking at 8 AM & 8 PM) leads me to believe you would be fine to add fish. You might try cutting back to say 3 ppm of ammonia tomorrow morning and see if that is all gone by 8 PM. But once again, I do not think you would have any issues if you did the large water change and added your fish.
I'll bet we've been taking that sentence in the Add&Wait writeup too literally about dropping both ammonia and nitrite to zero in 12 hours. It seems ok if the processing of the nitrites appears to be a little slower, since really that population is chewing on a lot more nitrite than the ammonia oxidizers are on the ammonia.
 
I'm just hoping that tomorrow at 8pm Ammonia and Nitrite are both 0.00ppm after cutting the Ammonia down to 3ppm. If it is then the weekend means a big water change, a pruning of the plants, clean of the gravel then off we go :D
 
The way i see it, fishless cycling is a new game and there are many avenues left unexplored so far. The 5ppm of ammonia processed entirely into nitrate within 12 hours is a benchmark which was set probably without all the relevant knowledge and information (since we all seem to still be learning now).

If several reports have indicated that this benchmark may be on the cautious side, and that a full tank of fish won't cause a spike in a filter which is trained to process say, 3ppm in 24 hours, then by all means Stormy, water change and stock.

It does of course depend on many things, mainly how heavily the tank is going to be stocked. Stock too heavily and you will suffer ammonia and nitrite spikes as the filter will be unable to cope. Stock too lightly and the excess bacteria will die off effectively losing much of the benefit of fishless cycling.

Indeed, if a tank is stocked lightly enough and slowly enough for a fish-in cycle, and partial water changes performed religiously every day, it can be just as effective as a fishless cycle as the small amounts of ammonia being produced are all but removed by the water changes leaving a tiny amount for the filter to process until it is trained in doing so, then another fish added and so on.........unfortunately almost everyone is either too impatient for this or just fishless cycles to avoid any risk.

I would imagine that although the bacteria's growth process rate may not be linear, once the colony is established, the amount of waste processed probably is (or at least almost). Therefore, we know that 5ppm of ammonia processed in 12 hours is safe for a full stock of fish, and we know that you can consistently do 5ppm in 24 hours, so i would say you are safe to half stock the tank, maybe more but i couldn't recommend it.

I wouldn't say that you are cycled, but probably due to lack of substantiated information rather than anything else.

Learning is half the fun, eh?

I'll be interested to see how you go, Stormy.

Cheers :good:

BTT
 

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