feeding live mice to arro

[Raechal]

I mean I would understand if the fish you had was wild caught and for it to survive it HAD to eat live food. And then I probably wouldn't even feed it live food. Just buy frozen shrimp or something, tie it on a clear string and make it look like it is alive.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

(1) worms have insufficient brain capacity to "feel" like people do. ditto for crickets, ants, shrimp, snails, etc. YES, they DO respond to negative/pain stimuli. but they don't process it and they don't learn. you may remember being shown how a worm can survive being cut in two; remember how it struggled equally at being gently picked-up and at being sawed on? it can't distinguish between the two events.

(2) a lot of reptiles and amphibians cannot be broken from a live diet without endangering the animal to starvation or malnutrition, even many captive-born creatures. of course, this begs the question of 'why keep a pet that can't live except as a predator?' but that's a question for another day.

(3) there is a difference in the slow execution of sentient beings and the quick death of an unthinking creature. returning to the earlier worm example, it demonstrates that the general existence of the worm is a series of panic attacks separated by food. dropping a feeder mouse to a huge arowana is a brief panic then quick death. releasing a feeder fish to a piranah pack is a long terror and an agonizing death. releasing a feeder fish to ONE piranah is a longer terror and an excruciating death. a swimmer caught by a shark is a tragedy not a spectacle, not because it happens to a man, but because it happens to a sentient creature capable of distinguishing between great and little pains. a feeder fish cannot long for a quick death over a slow shredding, whereas a man can.

(4) considering the big fat red warning sign, all of you softies who watched that video and felt sick are morbid, morbid, morbid... silly people; i bet you guys love rollercoasters too.

 

[MAM]

i personally see nothing wrong with live foods, when the foods are appropriate food for that animal. mammals as fish food, well, only for true carnivorous/mammal eating fish like pirahnas. its what that fish would eat in the wild. but to an arrowana??? hmm, that i'm not so sure about. and live feeders for snakes, well, some snakes just won't take frozen foods. i'd personally prefer not to ever own an animal i had to feed live mammals too (i'd end up keeping too many of them as pets rather than using them for food), so i'd buy snakes that were raised on frozen/pinkies. its just like some lizards, or even fish, they won't eat food if its not moving about. sure, you can use a feeding stick and simulate movement, but sometimes carni animals still won't eat that. of course, with any live foods, of any type, you have to careful of diseases that the food may carry and could give to your pet. another reason i'd prefer animals that will accept frozen varieties.

but to feed your fish or snake or reptile live foods solely for the entertainment factor, now that is just wrong. you should only be doing it as a part of healthy, varied diet, not for ####z and giggles one night when you and your buddies have nothing better to do.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

but to feed your fish or snake or reptile live foods solely for the entertainment factor, now that is just wrong. you should only be doing it as a part of healthy, varied diet, not for ####z and giggles one night when you and your buddies have nothing better to do.

Amen sister

 

[digital_run]

Just MO ....Not saying i agree with the whole "lets add sounds track to mice torture"....But as others have said...Some species will only take live food so its granted if you keep one you'll have to do this...Also I know a fair amount of people who buy pets strictly because they can do things like this...They want to keep something mean and nasty and show off to their friends how they can drop a mice in there and end up with something like that. Not my thing...but hey

 

[OohFeeshy]

because it happens to a sentient creature capable of distinguishing between great and little pains

But its not a tragedy when you drown a mouse who can 'distinguish between great and little pains'? I don't see why not. A mouse has as much right to live as you do. You are an animal. You are not a vegetable or a mineral, therefore must be an animal. Would you feed a child to a crocodile if it would only eat human meat? No. You would let it starve for eating humans and not, say, a fluffy rabbit who doesn't pollute, doesn't emit greenhouse gasses and doesn't kill others.

 

[chad1989]

itsd life...you gona have to live wid it

 

[MyDogIsJealousOfMyFish]

I've kept pirahna and I wouldn't feed them mice as I wouldn't want the aggravation of cleaning the tank after feeding. I used feeder fish as the pirahna (wild caught & imported from the amazon) showed no interest in non-living food. Even the LFS where I got them had to feed them feeder fish as they wouldn't take anything else.

I couldn't feed live food in my house now as my youngest daughter is a bit of a tree hugger and she would be impossible to live with also I still enjoy getting out into the field the odd time and doing some upland bird hunting.

 

[nc_nutcase]

To offer live food to a naturally carnivorous animal is simply doing our job at recreating a more natural like environment for our pet. It would actually be far more inhuman to house a carnivorous animal and force them to adhere to a vegetarian diet as this will have long term internal negative effects.

Also, comparing live foods to frozen / freeze dried foods on a level of being humane, they are equal. Either way a living creature that is naturally seen as food by some other animals is being killed and used as food. Just because you didn’t SEE it suffer and die doesn’t mean it didn’t suffer and die. One way is just a little bit more natural (live feeding).

Besides… would being swallowed and eaten in one gulp be worse than being compacted in a container with millions of your own kind, having life sustaining water removed, then your temperature lowered to the point of death / freezing? It is very valid to say “that aspect of nature is violent and I would rather not see it and when possible I will avoid contributing to it”, but to label it as wrong sick or inhumane is pompous to say the least. I don’t like chocolate but that doesn’t make it immoral to eat? It just means I don’t take part in it.

To torture is wrong… to let nature do it’s thing is… natural… and you don’t have to like every aspect of nature. And if ‘inhumane killings’ are so sick and wrong you had BETTER be a vegetarian because we commonly eat inhumanely raised and murdered animals on a daily bases that are NOT produced in a natural way.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

First, I'm a girl, so bugger off. Second, oh well, I don't care about feeding live animals to other live animals. That is to say, I don't like it in the whole 'oohh, look at the blood!' or anything like that, but I don't have a heart attack about it being wrong either. It's nature, and while yes, it is in captivity, who are you to say that the natural way of things is cruel? The whole point of keeping pets (at least it should be) is to re-create their natural habitat in the home so that we can enjoy them. The only reason we have dried food, flake food, and other things is because it is more convenient for us, not them. They are healthier eating live food (as long as it isn't diseased) as this is they way they were built. I'm am not, however, going to waste anymore of my time defending this idea, because there will always be people that think I am wrong, and the thing is, I don't care. Do what you want. If your friend is feeding live mice to his arrowana, so be it.

 

[SailfinGirl]

Did any of you who are defnding ths disgusting and unnecessay act actually watch the video? You people make me sick. Really.

If someone could do this to an animal, what could they do to a "superior" human?

 

[Blue Lobster]

Animals are yummy.

 

[Raechal]

Animals are yummy.
http/www.mushroom-uk.com/media_images/bb...fing_300dpi.jpg

Okay that was REALLY uncalled for.

 

[BettaMomma]

Blue Lobster - as disgusting as that is, I laughed out loud when I saw that picture. lol
(I can't BELIEVE I laughed but I actually did)

NOW....
as for distinguishing between what can and what can't feel pain, I don't really care how fast or slow they die, or if they can process pain or whatever - it's still horrible.

I GLARE at people who get in line to buy crickets, and have the misfortune of getting in line in front of me at a petstore. I yell at my dad because he goes fishing, but he doesn't care - he still goes. He's also a hunter which that's for a WHOLE other topic or we could be on this one for days.

I did NOT watch that video, or I can guarantee I'd have bawled my head off first, then got really pissed off, then got on here and wrote a novel and then probably started writing letters or calling someone to find out who the imbesols are that are responsible for that video.

 

[Paul_MTS]

First, I'm a girl, so bugger off. Second, oh well, I don't care about feeding live animals to other live animals. That is to say, I don't like it in the whole 'oohh, look at the blood!' or anything like that, but I don't have a heart attack about it being wrong either. It's nature, and while yes, it is in captivity, who are you to say that the natural way of things is cruel? The whole point of keeping pets (at least it should be) is to re-create their natural habitat in the home so that we can enjoy them. The only reason we have dried food, flake food, and other things is because it is more convenient for us, not them. They are healthier eating live food (as long as it isn't diseased) as this is they way they were built. I'm am not, however, going to waste anymore of my time defending this idea, because there will always be people that think I am wrong, and the thing is, I don't care. Do what you want. If your friend is feeding live mice to his arrowana, so be it.

What she said!!

and yep i watched the video and note how well kept his P's looked and how clean the tank was. Must be doing a good job and providing his fish with a litle game....excellent good for them.

and why do people keep comparing our selfs to mice and worms and other food sources!! Mice are in no way the same league as our selfs.....

by holding back on live foods your also not doing your fish any favours.