Dyed and Hybrid Fish..what we all should know

[wrs]

did you read that artical that I think it was Wuv posted a link to about interesting study? One girl betta mated w/her dad. Guppies, platties, mollies etc. will mate with brothers and sisters. Even parents. They are all inbreeding and not being forced.

 

[Xavier]

AAAAAAAAAAAAANIMALS......yuck

 

[clutterydrawer]

did you read that artical that I think it was Wuv posted a link to about interesting study? One girl betta mated w/her dad. Guppies, platties, mollies etc. will mate with brothers and sisters. Even parents. They are all inbreeding and not being forced.

intriguing. did it do this in the wild, or in a tank environment?

 

[Teelie]

did you read that artical that I think it was Wuv posted a link to about interesting study? One girl betta mated w/her dad. Guppies, platties, mollies etc. will mate with brothers and sisters. Even parents. They are all inbreeding and not being forced.

Aquarium bred are hardly the best place to make your claim as their reproductive choices are literally limited by what you give them.

 

[wrs]

im sure wild guppies do the same.

 

[Teelie]

Wild guppies have 10's of 100's of more gallons of water and area to disperse in and it is minimized a great deal.

 

[clutterydrawer]

im sure wild guppies do the same.

Are you now. Your intuition tells you this, yeah?

 

[Xavier]

maybe they cant tell the difference between a realtive and a stranger

 

[Teelie]

That's probably a per species question. I know some animals, including fish can "sense" when a potential mate is unsuited to them which includes being a close relative but I don't know to what extent.

 

[juanveldez]

One girl betta mated w/her dad. Guppies, platties, mollies etc. will mate with brothers and sisters. Even parents. They are all inbreeding and not being forced.

in a tank setting I know that fish will interbreed, but as that was already discussed it is due to the lack of space for the fish to spread out and secondly because of over crowding problems, while I am also quite sure that fish will interbreed in the wild there are two things wrong with your argument. one the amount of predation actually limits that amount and two the amount of space avalible to the fish to form pairs during mating.

 

[Opcn]

Amish People are a smaller population yes but they are not inbred they are no more inbred than the early american setelers or the state of idaho and there is some interbreeding between amish and others some amish leave there societies and join the mainstreem and some mainstreemers are born again and join the amish movement. There is a limit of the genetic material based solely on the size of there comunities but they are well away from inbreeding. lets say you had a son and a daughter and they were made to breed and they had a son and a daughter and they were made to breed and so on so forth for the next 25 generations then you would have a fancy guppy level of inbreeding. While wild guppies may have some interbreeding like this they do not do it for nearly as many generations and among the liveberers there exist some adaptations to deal with the implications of inbreeding platies are very good at haveing hidden genes manafest several generations down the line because they have extra genetic material floating around but that extra genetic material also defeats the purpose of line breeding thats why you dont see all those fancy platies.

If you can pull out some recesive good(looking) traits by chance and imbreding dont you think you might end up pulling some recessive bad traits (invisable ones at that) species that inbreed often end up going extinct from deseases too.

 

[juanveldez]

oh and before I forget.... how can you compair hybirdization to inbreeding?again apples and oranges. I highly sugesst that you read the title of the post. but just so that you can say that you read it let me define the two for you in the context pertaning to fish

HYBRIDIZATION- the crossing of two dissimilar species to create a new species of fish.

INBREEDING- the breeding of two sibilings of the same species to create offspring with simmilar characteristics of the parents.

 

[Phantom Thief]

Frankly wrs, read a book, surf the net, check some researches, and use your head before you attempt to say that long finnage, inbreeding and the such dont hurt again.

P.T.

 

[mrV]

did you read that artical that I think it was Wuv posted a link to about interesting study? One girl betta mated w/her dad. Guppies, platties, mollies etc. will mate with brothers and sisters. Even parents. They are all inbreeding and not being forced.

Good breeder try to avoid it and separate male and females. And if (s)he sells them to someone, (s)he takes couple from different fry - not "brothers and sisters".

Unfortunately when people want get long fins fishes etc... they inbreed fish to get that goal

Try to inbreed e.g. dogs many times and you see what happens! Nowadays when so many fishes are inbreeded several times, we see results: many of those fishes are very weak. And you still say that inbreeding is not bad!?

 

[wrs]

like I said before. Its my opinion. If you dont like it leave it alone.