Dolphin Slaughter

[InaneCathode]

Black is right.
We do the same to cows, wich isnt right in my mind and slaughter houses arnt a very nice place to be.
There are however some farms in the uk that give the livestock a better quality of life all be it a little shorter than a wild animal. Different cultures think differently as we all know. Im sure kev didn't mean it against the whole of japan, lets face it its a bad video and for someone that loves aquatics to see it is hard and emotional and i preety sure most of these posts have been wrote in the following mins after seeing this film. Im sure if you went to a cow forum on a japaese website and they showed our way of killing cows they would be angry to.
Jus my 2 cents
Greg

Right.
Just in the way some chicken farms abuse chickens, some cow (lets use cows, it's easier [ftr, cows are female cattle]) farms abuse cows. I'm totally against 'kosher' slaugter of cattle (bleeding).
It's totally unfair to say we do the same things to cows because the VAST majority of cattle arent treated astronomically close to as bad as those dolphins are.
And to make things perfectly clear, i'm ALWAYS referring to MOST cow farms. I know theres bad people who do bad things to cows, but they're few and far between, and never represent the majority of cattle farmers.
That being said, i live somewhat near a modern cow farm and i don't see big writhing masses of cows indiscriminately stabbed, dragged miles over pavement, gutted in public, beaten, whipped, and killed mercilessly for no reason.
What i see is a carefully control system for rasing and slaughtering of an animal purposely bred to be raised and slaughtered. (MOST cow farms use pneumatic ram-spikes through the skull and into the neck, virtually unnoticable by the cow)
Theres a huge, very bold, thick line between what that video shows, and what cows go through.

I do feel that sentiment is in vain, they're be videos invariably posted soon that show brutalization of cattle set to dramatic string music.


PS God it's turned into a cattle slaughter thread, we need someone to mention carbon or silver soon.
PPS On the back of Andy's post, it's worth mentioning that important issues shouldnt be discussed over, or decided by pathos alone. It's easy to stir people up, and incredibly hard to convince them something horrific isnt relevant.
PPPS That video is actually old too, now that you mention it andy.

 

[Mr.September15]

Cattle have their heads lifted and their throats cut while still alive. To me thats not humane. Pigs and sheep are stunned and then hoisted up and have their throats slit as well.

That is for Kosha or Hilal foods. More humane methods of slaughter are employed for people who do not subscribe to religions that require cruel slaughter to satiate a god's desire.

Is this practice much worse than the Greeks who cut the dorsal fins off of sharks and then put the shark back in the water for a slow death? Or the heavy trawling which destroys acres of coral around the UK shores (remembering coldwater corals take far longer to grow than tropical corals)? both cause huge amounts of distress, and one causes massive ecological destruction taking out an entire habitat rather than just one animal.

It is obviously cruel, but just targeting Japan would be wrong as the hunting of Dolphins is done by the Faroe Islands, Solomon Islands and Peru to name but three of the major participants.

Also interesting is that not all dolphins are killed in the hunts, with some being exported to... yes, Seaworld.

From reading wiki (I have not watched the video to confirm as I am at work) I would guess that the video is the notorious one from Futo in October 1999. Since that time the killing of Dolphins by slitting of the throat has been banned and a long metal pin must be driven into the spine for a far quicker kill (though this is not yet outlawed in the Faroe Islands). While the practice may continue, it is at least banned in Japan.

If it truly is the now out of date video it is a shame that it is being circulated again without pointing out that this was some time ago and offical practices have now changed. However sensationalism is often more important to Animal Rights campaigners than true facts and cold sensible debate.

I think CFC is closing this but Halal foods is meat that is cut humanely. Cut with one blow and instantly killing the animal instead of letting it suffer.

Kosher Meat:
The descriptive term in Judaism for food and other objects that are clean according to its laws. These laws are contained in the Torah and forbid, for example, the eating of pork or shellfish, the mixing of dairy products and meat, and certain methods of slaughtering animals.
EDIT: I just noticed that I said that it's meat that is cut humanely. I don't believe any type slaughter is humane, but some are better than others.

 

[CFC]

I dont mean literally, it would be very difficult to get 300 dolphins to swim gently into the bay where they would lie still while humanely killed, its the way it has to be and thats it.

And CFC, im guessing your American due to your uneducated rant about atom bombs!

No, i'm fully English. And you are right, atom bombs would be a bit too much as they would also kill and effect the wild life in a negative way. With a bit of luck the bird flu will wipe them all out, would be quite ironic that they die as a result of their cruel ways of treating animals.

 

[black angel]

Yeah well, it has gone way off course and more like a general chat thread of old

 

[InaneCathode]

I dont mean literally, it would be very difficult to get 300 dolphins to swim gently into the bay where they would lie still while humanely killed, its the way it has to be and thats it.

And CFC, im guessing your American due to your uneducated rant about atom bombs!

No, i'm fully English. And you are right, atom bombs would be a bit too much as they would also kill and effect the wild life in a negative way. With a bit of luck the bird flu will wipe them all out, would be quite ironic that they die as a result of their cruel ways of treating animals.

Thats a bit insensitive though mate, i know lots of asians and they do deserve to die because of cruel people in japan...

 

[OohFeeshy]

And people say general chat created too much debate... Better watch out, Chit Chat is out next

 

[InaneCathode]

And people say general chat created too much debate... Better watch out, Chit Chat is out next

Lol, shhhhh they might hear you...

 

[black angel]

I would love general chat to come back, but the moderating would be huge.

As for the dolphins, then all we can do as individuals is sign petitions and as a group we may make a difference.

 

[Mr.September15]

Heres one that shows farm animal cruelty:

http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnFhQPI4u8

 

[demonmagus]

do yall eat hamburger or pork.???
because thats the way that they slaughter them. so theoritically, you would have to sin petetions againts that too, which is peta, and they need to define animal, and by there defition, we would be included, yet they support abortion??
i dont like pita. can you tell?!?! lol.
i hunt, can you tell??? again, lol
though, dont get me wrong, i agree whole heartedly that a new method needs to be used, but it is in japan, and there really isnt much we can do.
it isnt our government, and it isnt illegal to kill them in japan.


sry, but we cant do anything.

ps: that was a very deppresing video.

Not trying to condone what they do , but I think we need to understand that these people have a different culture than we do as do most countries outside the western europe/America Group.

I shouldn't think these people like doing this job anymore than someone working in a factory in England likes their jobs,and they need to feed their families just as we do.

While we continue to enjoy cheap TVs, Stereos (and almost everything else we buy now China has become a major exporter) we complain that the workers who get paid a pittance for keeping us materialistic 'westerners' happy do things like this.

Like all walks of life around the world. Customs and the need to look after your family control your actions to some extent.

We forget that we are fortunate enough in UK and America and some other countries that even at the bottom of the financial ladder that even though we complain we are pretty comfortable, in nice warm houses, with a huge selection of food cheaply available, and 2 cars in every drive, so therefore we can choose what we want to do and support etc. whereas other's aren't so fortunate.

All the same I do think its pretty sick and shouldn't happen, but I don't suppose a desperate father of 4 would listen to a petition whilst trying to earn some money to buy his children some food.

I suppose I will get hammered for saying this but it is true.

Cattle have their heads lifted and their throats cut while still alive. To me thats not humane. Pigs and sheep are stunned and then hoisted up and have their throats slit as well.

How can we condone how one nation gets its food when we are no better.
I love dolphins and whales like most westerners but they are seen as another food source in the East.
How they go about it is barbaric and not justified but we need to look at our own back yard before stepping on to someone elses.
Seeing those dolphins dragged through the town and then throats slit while still alive is horrific and some one somewhere needs to say enough is enough, but who can? We can sign petitions till the cows come home but nothing will stop it. The japanese have restarted whaling again and after a bit of murmuring nothing has been done to stop it.

I think as well some of the comments against the japanese to be inflammatory and shouldnt be made on a public forum despite how you feel about things. Im sure not all Japanese are behind this practice just as we arent all behind the way we slaughter animals for meat.

Black is right.
We do the same to cows, wich isnt right in my mind and slaughter houses arnt a very nice place to be.
There are however some farms in the uk that give the livestock a better quality of life all be it a little shorter than a wild animal. Different cultures think differently as we all know. Im sure kev didn't mean it against the whole of japan, lets face it its a bad video and for someone that loves aquatics to see it is hard and emotional and i preety sure most of these posts have been wrote in the following mins after seeing this film. Im sure if you went to a cow forum on a japaese website and they showed our way of killing cows they would be angry to.
Jus my 2 cents
Greg

I don't know how many people may have already said this but, first, dolphins are endangered they do this to whales and I think the Chinese do this to tigers. Cattle and whatver are their for eating, they ren't going to die out because we eat them. Admitely some religions have halal meat, where it bleeds to death with no stunning, but I thought most animals were stunned

 

[barrydp]

Sorry to all you Americans for confusing CRCs rant , i probably should have guessed that he`s English. Cares more about bloody dead fish than what his country is doing abroad to innocent HUMANS!!! Now theres a topical point..mmmm

 

[CFC]

I dont mean literally, it would be very difficult to get 300 dolphins to swim gently into the bay where they would lie still while humanely killed, its the way it has to be and thats it.

And CFC, im guessing your American due to your uneducated rant about atom bombs!

No, i'm fully English. And you are right, atom bombs would be a bit too much as they would also kill and effect the wild life in a negative way. With a bit of luck the bird flu will wipe them all out, would be quite ironic that they die as a result of their cruel ways of treating animals.

Thats a bit insensitive though mate, i know lots of asians and they do deserve to die because of cruel people in japan...

That all depends, do they support the killing of endangered animals and the cruel treatment of livestock?

No ones ever accused me of being sensative, i judge people by their actions and if their actions are those that disgust most normal people then they are judged as being disgusting people. We have more people on this planet than it can substain so why should disgusting people with no respect for the planet they live on be allowed to continue abusing it and its creatures?

 

[black angel]

No more on cattle, lets concentrate on the dolphins

 

[barrydp]

Wont someone please think of the Dolphins!!!!!

 

[Mr.September15]

No more on cattle, lets concentrate on the dolphins

I feel sorry for the chickens though, there harmless animals and the people are taking advantage of that. Also since this is my thread and what I say goes 8) lol jk. Can we not make this into a pollitical discussion but instead a humanatarian one.