Dangerous Dogs

[Alasse]

My german shepherds is purebred, she does not have short hind legs, not hunched back , now any other issues. Not all GSD breeders breed for that 'type' Many showline GSD's are absolutely appalling. My girl though is from working lines, much more like the older style GSD. These GSD's are designed to work, not to look pretty and prance around a ring *L* So yeah, not ALL breeders are damaging their breeds, but sadly many are.

The hairless dogs are not Chi's

Hairless dogs
Dogs

American Hairless Terrier

Chinese Crested (hairless)

Hairless Khala

Peruvian Inca Orchid (PIO)

Xoloitzcuintle

And yep they definately have a place in society, many allergy sufferers have these dogs. I'd love a Chinese Crested, they're gorgeous.

 

[Alasse]

An interesting (and very true) read on the big dog vs little dog issue

Owner responsibility, train ya dog doesnt matter the breed.

 

[Ben M]

I like that article. It explains what I said earlier about little dogs being able to get away with murder (like little sisters ).

 

[Tolak]

By snap I meant jump up etc, sorry if that is not your understanding of the word but it is mine.

http/www.thefreedictionary.com/snap
http/www.thefreedictionary.com/nip

From Barbara Woodhouse to Victoria Stillwell, Bill Koehler to Jean Donaldson, any training method I have experienced refers to snapping & nipping as just that; aggression issues. Your understanding of the word is one that I have yet to hear of, though I may be mistaken and will look into it further. If you use words in a manner that are not of common definition without stating so expect to be misunderstood.

Your definition of snappy is of dogs that jump up, how do you define nippy? You state that all small dogs you’ve ever encountered are a lot more snappy, a lot more nippy, and a lot more aggressive. Dogs who have these issues, if you go by the common definition of these words, should never be bred. I went by the most common definitions, ones used by dog trainers & breeders for decades.

They are protective of her because she's on crutches.

I’m sorry to hear your friend is on crutches, but the dogs in her charge only behave this way because it is allowed or encouraged. Dogs do not realize crutches are any sort of weakness that they have to cover for unless they are taught that. There are service dogs at work daily for people with disabilities, many much more severe than crutches, and do not exhibit these tendencies. That is because they were trained not to.

An interesting (and very true) read on the big dog vs little dog issue

Owner responsibility, train ya dog doesnt matter the breed.

Excellent link, and a perfect example of why smaller dogs should not be trained any differently than larger dogs. The only place I recall seeing badly behaved dogs is when going to the vet. I’ll bet that the aggressive leash pulling poorly trained & usually dominant dogs regardless of size are seen there more often because they have to be taken out & to the vet. They aren’t taken out for fun because they are no fun outside with the unresolved issues.

Perhaps this is why I see for the most part well behaved dogs around the neighborhood. The worst I see is larger dogs that pull like they want to remove an arm, usually walked by younger kids, guess the parents don’t want to risk a rotator cuff injury.

The arrangements by you for determination of an aggressive dog should be applied equally from the tiniest dog to the largest, it sounds like they go through a quite lengthy evaluation process. Many areas, including my own, will allow a person with little or no training to make this decision. I wonder if this is common in other areas, and if they do let smaller dogs with these issues slide where larger ones would be judged more harshly.

 

[hanny93]

lol, you worry about me "slating" your breeding friends. yet ignore the damage they are doing to the dog they breed. if a breeder specialises in one breed. he/she/ (it) is cross breeding from the same family. those blood lines are now so strained, as to endanger their very existence.

don't take my word for it. just ask any animal genetic specialist. breeders have already done, inestimable damage to the genetics of the domestic dog. as as you so clearly showed. owner/breeders are more interested in their reputation, not their dogs.

honestly. from your own comments. your friend is a duff breeder. and that's hard. being bader in a den of bad boys. now that's an achievement.

First of all, 'it', who do you think you are? Seriously in what world is it acceptable to refer to another human being as IT.

Second, they are not strained, as i told you, there is no actual stud book for JR, so new dogs are constantly being added, including breeds like Lancashire Heelers, Dachshunds and Border terriers, so where are the strained blood lines there.
Eventually blood lines would become strained anyway in the wild, there's only so many packs of wolves before they have to start interlinking longer down the line.

'as you so clearly showed, owner/breeders are more interested in their reputation' where did i say that. seriously stop making things up, stop messing around being really quite nasty about someone you don't know.


Oh and Tolak,
'Dogs do not realize crutches are any sort of weakness that they have to cover for unless they are taught that.' they kinda do, she cant get up, she cant walk properly from being the person that takes them out and runs around with them?



Seriously now, I'm tired of getting upset by people's comments about me and about my friend, your opinions of dog breeders are your own, and if all you are going to do is continually slate my own, then I dont want anyone commenting on here anymore.

My dog was injured by another, I was incredibly angry and upset so I came on here for some advice. I ended up getting people who you would have thought would have been slightly more grown up about the issue, shouting around a totally different issue, and I don't like it.

 

[Caprichoso]

I'm sorry that you're getting upset about the comments. You shouldn't. These people don't know who you are and many people find it easy to say whatever they want on a forum because it's not like they're saying something to someone's face. Also, because a person's "tone" can't come through with words much of the time, things can be taken the wrong way from all sides. What a few people think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of it all. I'm sure your friend is a responsible breeder as they do exist out there. No worries my dear

 

[hanny93]

I'm sorry that you're getting upset about the comments. You shouldn't. These people don't know who you are and many people find it easy to say whatever they want on a forum because it's not like they're saying something to someone's face. Also, because a person's "tone" can't come through with words much of the time, things can be taken the wrong way from all sides. What a few people think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of it all. I'm sure your friend is a responsible breeder as they do exist out there. No worries my dear

I know I shouldn't, but thankyou for the kind words

 

[Zirallan]

if i was walking down the street and got attacked by a #105###zu, itd get a kick in the face, i certainly wouldnt be overly concerned for my safety. if a rottweiler came at me intent on causing me some damage, id be laying a pile of bricks, it could do me some serious damage. im not saying a lhasa bite wouldnt hurt, but regardless of your stance on why dogs are danegrous, you must relaise the difference im pointing out ?

I have scars from being attacked by a chihuahua. There have been cases of lhasas and shih tzus and other toy/small breed dogs killing children. One case that I remember particularly clearly, a man was laying on his living room floor playing with his small dog (I don't remember the breed) and it ripped his nose straight off his face. Sure, a rot has a bigger bite, but there's no way you can say that small dogs aren't as capable of harm.

And as far as breed lists go, why aren't dogs like great danes and mastiffs on most of them? They're large dogs, even the small ones weigh in at over 100 pounds (45 or so kilos). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned GSDs being bred for guard work.. So were danes, mastiffs, anatolean shepherds, great pyraneese.. Several much larger breeds of dogs who are considered to be gentle as lambs despite being bred for guard work and their intense tendency to do so.

Having worked with dogs all my life, I will admit that there likely is a genetic component to it, but the vast majority is how the dog is raised. Big or small, they can all be vicious. I've got the scars to prove it.

 

[Geoff-]

chihuahua dogs are the most aggressive, because they are small and "cute" owners let their bad attitude go unchecked. they have no fear and will go for a dog or human of ANY size.

if they were larger and more powerful they would be banned.

an aggressive dog is 100% the creation of the owner. I watch Dog Whisperer and Cesar Milan's late pit bull Daddy was THE most chilled out dog you have ever seen, even around other dogs that are losing their mind.

 

[Zirallan]

I wasn't saying THEY were aggressive, i was saying they bark and get excited when someone even walks up the driveway, and that smaller dogs tend to be more aggressive.
How can they not be socialised properly? They are all well trained, they do everything, and i mean, everything she says when she says, and the rest of the family members. Do you really think she would trust a 2 year old around newborn pups if she didnt trust the mother to not be aggressive?
By snap I meant jump up etc, sorry if that is not your understanding of the word but it is mine. I've been bitten once by one of her dogs, which is essentially, a spastic and so would never be bred anyway. She vets every single dog she breeds to, she will not breed if it is not a nice ***** and she has her own stud dogs, so she knows exactly what blood is going in.

I make absolutley no comment about your friend.

However, it really needs to be pointed out that there is a HUGE difference between a socialized dog and a well trained dog. For example, my mother had a rat terrier who was quite well trained. Knew dozens of commands. He could do any of them by voice command or hand signal, some of which were quite subtle. Very, very well trained dog. He got almost no socialization. He was never around strange people or dogs. He bit three people. One of which was a child.

On the other hand, my husbands dog knows only three comands. She won't even do them every time unless you have food. However, she is excellent with people and other dogs. She would never dream of snapping or snarling at someone unless they were truely doing something they shouldn't to her. She's simply a well socialized, badly trained dog.

Just because a dog is well trained does not mean it is well socialized. It's even possible to have a dog that is quite capable of being off lead out of the house and still not being socialized. All it takes is training and not taking the dog around other people/places/dogs.

Your definition of snapping is quite odd. Jumping up and snapping are two very, very different things. To snap at someone is to bite the air in someones direction, usualy quite close to that person (and can lead to accidental bites). It's a warning behaviour meaning 'Get back and leave me alone or I will bite you!'. Jumping up is a nuisance but it is definitely a far different thing and speaks only of a lack of manners not to any possible aggression or lack of socialization.

 

[raptorrex]

First of all, 'it', who do you think you are? Seriously in what world is it acceptable to refer to another human being as IT.

any world.

in what world is is acceptable to breed, inherently generically, flawed animals to boost your ego, and pocket?.
your comments on your friends dog being "pure bred", underlines your total misunderstanding. "pure bred" dogs are the problem. simply because they are not whats on the tin. a "Pure Bred" dog is nothing like pure. they are the most genetically unhealthy dogs on the planet. and bred that way .DELIBERATELY. acts like that mean the term "IT" is more than applicable to a human.

igniting the genetics, if a breeder cant socialise a dog, they are useless.TRASH is another term for useless!

 

[hanny93]

First of all, 'it', who do you think you are? Seriously in what world is it acceptable to refer to another human being as IT.

any world.

in what world is is acceptable to breed, inherently generically, flawed animals to boost your ego, and pocket?.
your comments on your friends dog being "pure bred", underlines your total misunderstanding. "pure bred" dogs are the problem. simply because they are not whats on the tin. a "Pure Bred" dog is nothing like pure. they are the most genetically unhealthy dogs on the planet. and bred that way .DELIBERATELY. acts like that mean the term "IT" is more than applicable to a human.

igniting the genetics, if a breeder cant socialise a dog, they are useless.TRASH is another term for useless!

any world? You are a nasty piece of work you really are, do you think youd say that via your voicebox and not your keyboard? Classic case of keyboard warrior.

when did i say she does that?
She breeds dogs from many differnet stocks, differnet features, different eye colours, different body shapes, because she likes breeding them, she likes watching her dogs bring forth life, it is nothing about money, nothing at all. if it was she would breed all her bitches at once, every time they come into season, but she doesnt, she currently has three bitches in season and not one of them will be bred because they had pups last year.

Seriously, calling another person 'it' is really, really unnacceptable in this society, i dont know where you come from but i dont want to go there if everyone is like you.

 

[moochy13]

if i was walking down the street and got attacked by a #105###zu, itd get a kick in the face, i certainly wouldnt be overly concerned for my safety. if a rottweiler came at me intent on causing me some damage, id be laying a pile of bricks, it could do me some serious damage. im not saying a lhasa bite wouldnt hurt, but regardless of your stance on why dogs are danegrous, you must relaise the difference im pointing out ?

I have scars from being attacked by a chihuahua. There have been cases of lhasas and shih tzus and other toy/small breed dogs killing children. One case that I remember particularly clearly, a man was laying on his living room floor playing with his small dog (I don't remember the breed) and it ripped his nose straight off his face. Sure, a rot has a bigger bite, but there's no way you can say that small dogs aren't as capable of harm.

And as far as breed lists go, why aren't dogs like great danes and mastiffs on most of them? They're large dogs, even the small ones weigh in at over 100 pounds (45 or so kilos). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned GSDs being bred for guard work.. So were danes, mastiffs, anatolean shepherds, great pyraneese.. Several much larger breeds of dogs who are considered to be gentle as lambs despite being bred for guard work and their intense tendency to do so.

Having worked with dogs all my life, I will admit that there likely is a genetic component to it, but the vast majority is how the dog is raised. Big or small, they can all be vicious. I've got the scars to prove it.

i cant believe im struggling to get this point across. im not trying to talk about anything else, i have no experience. im not saying small dogs arent dangerous. however, your examples of small dangerous dogs revolve around kids and people laying on the floor. thats creating a situation to prove your point. i could say small dogs are zero danger to me if im standing up. bite on the leg or hand, nothing life critical a small dog can reach if youre standing up, and trust me that dog would only get one chance to bite me.

however, my main point is just people dont seem to be seeing the danger difference between big and small dogs. lets say on your left you have a very angry great dane. on the right you have a very angry lhasa apso. they are both about to be released at you. NOW tell me they're both as scary as eachother.

or think about a dogs mouth as a bullet. a small bullet (small mouth) can kill you, no doubt. but the chances of it happening are slim when compared to the chances of a big bullet (big mouth) hitting you. both dangerous, but to say they are the same is scientifically wrong. a larger mouth will have more teeth, more dirty saliva, more muscle behind it, more bulk of dog to hang off your arm.