Dangerous Dogs

[coldcazzie]

It is true that most of the time that it is due to the owners rather than the dogs for them being aggressive. There is no denying that some traits are set into dogs genes more than others though. GSDs for example, since they were mentioned earlier, were bred as guard dogs in Germany, so are incredibly loyal to their owners. The majority if socialised correctly are fine with other dogs and people, however they will always have the "gene" if you like for wanting to be very protective of "their" land and "their" owners, if they are not corrected as a youngster. This said, it is not impossible to teach an old dog new tricks. I myself have trained dogs who were extremely aggressive towards other dogs for no apparent reason. Within a couple of months of training, patience and discipline, they have been playing with other dogs running about in a field together, unmuzzled without aggression. I'm a great believer in the idea of being a pack leader and feel that more (generally) strong willed dogs such at pitbulls and GSDs will more easily assume the role of "top dog" and try to rule the roost, however I feel that any dog has potential to be friendly and non-aggressive with proper, assertive leadership. It's just a shame that it is lacking in many of todays dog owners.

I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone said something that sounded like Cesar Milan!

 

[MBOU]

Mmmm true to the above, i thought that too but only because I do completely agree with his methods (his method being common sense, understanding the species and dont be a complete idiot of an owner). Most of which you'd have thought were pretty obvious

Same as I am interested in/agree with practised like Join Up (horses/Monty Roberts) and Tellington Touch TTOUCH.

 

[hanny93]

Join up is ace jus' saying!

 

[hensonc4098]

I've done join-up too. It truely is amazing the potential that you can get out of a horse when they have established you as their firm leader. Obviously whilst riding, you are the horses leader to an extent, but I have found that the horses are far more willing to put themselves into situations they would class as risky because you are asking them to and they trust you. Anyways. Off topic

 

[Caprichoso]

We've just found a massive hole in my whippets (charlie) shoulder. About an inch wide and long, and deep.

We think he's been bitten by another whippet when he's been playing and now he needs stiches.

I think that the dangerous dogs list should include individuals (like ofr each county, so lancahsire would have its own list) that is available to the public so they can avoid these dogs and avoid any firther injury to their beloved pets.

We've had to give charlie some painkillers for the time being as we cant afford to take him to the vets until thursday.

Does anyone else agree with me or am I being overprotective of my own pups?

There are no dangerous dog breeds, just dangerous owners who don't train properly or who train their dog to be aggressive. Those people that do that should have their name and picture posted so you know who to avoid. It's the owners fault, not the animal.

 

[chishnfips]

I havent read this whole post because I didn't have time, so if I repeat some one elses words then sorry.

But a dangerous dogs list is a load of rubbish, any dog can be dangerous it depends on the owner!!!

 

[Ben M]

I think having a dangerous dogs act at all is ridiculous. I know I am echoing what others have said, but surely if the authorities were harsher on the bad owners (prison sentences and life bans from keeping animals) then there wouldn't be a problem with dangerous dogs. TBH, I don't see the problem with a dog that is protective of its owner. When I am walking home through fields on a dark night it is very reassuring having 2 rottweilers with me, as they are extremely loyal and I'm sure if I was attacked they'd protect me. However, I hate people who have aggressive dogs. I believe that it is entirely their doing. Whether they have just spoilt their dog, or intentionally made it aggressive. When you buy a puppy it is a blank canvas, how it turns out is your own doing.

 

[hanny93]

It really isnt.

breeders will not breed aggressive dogs (or good ones wont) because they pas son the aggressive trait to their offspring, unless of course thats what you want in a dog e.g fighting dogs.

To be honest i just dont think its fair that owners can get away with letting their dogs bite other dogs who's owners had no idea that the 'dangerous' dog was that sort of dog. Charlie still has a big scar where he was bitten and is now very wary of other dogs when we're out, which i really dont think is fair because he loves playing with new dogs.

 

[Alasse]

All dogs have the potential to be aggressive!

•Pit Bull Terrier.
•Dogo Argentino.
•Fila Brasilerio.
•Japanese Tosa.
(and crossbreeds of) are breeds banned from where i am.

Idiot owners are everywhere. I live in a city and here is a dangerous dog list here, and any dog can be put on it! If it attacks, or behaves menacingly toward another animal or person it is put on the dangerous dog register. You will have no doubt if you see a dog that has been declared dangerous here. It MUST be muzzled while out in public. They are implanted with a chip to id them. They are to be kept in a childproof lockable enclosure within your yard. Dangerous dog signs MUST be placed on fencing. It is restrictive and inspected. You also need to pay $200+ per year to own such a dog and are fully liable for any damages that dog may cause if it is out. We have a jack russel on this list *L*

I firmly believe it should be compulsary for ALL dog owners to do a full obedience course.

My GSD is from working lines (police security etc). Her mother had very high civil aggression (manstopper) and had to be muzzled when around people, that is what she was trained to be. My girl, has high guard tendencies, but is not what i would class as aggressive. She has been properly socialised from a puppy and has been to obedience classes. She is dog friendly and people friendly as long as both approach properly. You come barrelling at me she in all likelyhood will take exception to it. That is not aggression though, that is protection, and is expected of her. Her litter sister is the same, friendly but protective when required, 1 of her litter brothers is a security dog and is trained to be aggressive.

Training is the key...

 

[hanny93]

All dogs have the potential to be aggressive!

•Pit Bull Terrier.
•Dogo Argentino.
•Fila Brasilerio.
•Japanese Tosa.
(and crossbreeds of) are breeds banned from where i am.

Idiot owners are everywhere. I live in a city and here is a dangerous dog list here, and any dog can be put on it! If it attacks, or behaves menacingly toward another animal or person it is put on the dangerous dog register. You will have no doubt if you see a dog that has been declared dangerous here. It MUST be muzzled while out in public. They are implanted with a chip to id them. They are to be kept in a childproof lockable enclosure within your yard. Dangerous dog signs MUST be placed on fencing. It is restrictive and inspected. You also need to pay $200+ per year to own such a dog and are fully liable for any damages that dog may cause if it is out. We have a jack russel on this list *L*

I firmly believe it should be compulsary for ALL dog owners to do a full obedience course.

Finally someone who isn't just out to tell me im an idiot.

To be honest all i was doing when i posted this was ranting and being upset, furthered by peoples responses.

My idea of a dangerous dogs list was to help other people recognise dangerous dogs, NOT BREEDS, i know for a fact a chihuahua can be dangerous.

 

[Ben M]

I didn't say you're an idiot. I agree with you that you get aggressive dogs in any breed (which I believe is down to irresponsible owners). My friend's jack russel is horrible. If you go near it it starts snarling. And when I went to Germany one of the host families had a yorkshire terrier, and when I was stood at the bottom of the steps at the house it dived down the stairs and nearly ripped my throat out.

 

[hanny93]

I didn't say you're an idiot. I agree with you that you get aggressive dogs in any breed (which I believe is down to irresponsible owners). My friend's jack russel is horrible. If you go near it it starts snarling. And when I went to Germany one of the host families had a yorkshire terrier, and when I was stood at the bottom of the steps at the house it dived down the stairs and nearly ripped my throat out.

Aha no that is a bit of an exxageration, just seemed like everyone was scoffing at me asif it was the most idiotic idea ever.

and ouch about the yorkie i hate them i just think theyre ugly.

 

[moochy13]

so are you all saying my lhasa apso/pomeranian/#105###zu poses the same danger threat as a pitbull/GSD/rottweiler, and it just depends on the owner ? i agree that it is very much down to owners to keep their dogs in check, but simple physicalities of dogs deem that there are large danger differences between the 2 sets of dogs ive mentioned as examples. simple biology and physics tells you that a dog with the mouth the size of a lhasa, and the muscle behind it to bite, will be no where near what a GSD could impart if it so wished.

if i was walking down the street and got attacked by a #105###zu, itd get a kick in the face, i certainly wouldnt be overly concerned for my safety. if a rottweiler came at me intent on causing me some damage, id be laying a pile of bricks, it could do me some serious damage. im not saying a lhasa bite wouldnt hurt, but regardless of your stance on why dogs are danegrous, you must relaise the difference im pointing out ?

 

[Ben M]

That, of course, is a valid point. A larger dog does have the potential to do you a lot more harm. But what I was saying is that smaller dogs can be just as aggressive as larger dogs, so I feel it is unfair to give larger dogs such a bad name. Also, a smaller dog could do a hell of a lot of damage to a young child, so surely there should be some sort of dog specific restrictions for particularly aggressive dogs, no matter what their size. I'm not saying that this is accurate everywhere, and I may be biased by owning 2 (very friendly ) rottweilers, but I've noticed that little dogs seem to have little man syndrome. Just walking through town I regularly see a tiny little dog going completely mental snarling at a much larger dog, which looks down at it in surprise. Have you guys noticed this as well?

Anyway, I think that owners should be responsible for their pets; you see on the news how a large dog has mauled some children, but I'd never leave my dogs alone with little kids, even though I am 100% confident that my dogs aren't aggressive. For one thing, it's not worth the risk, and for another, dogs can sometimes be quite boisterous, so could accidentally knock a small child over.

I see people who think it's cute when their 'adorable' little puppy growls at someone, but it really isn't. But then it's the same with people who think they're cool because they beat their dog to make it aggressive.

 

[Alasse]

so are you all saying my lhasa apso/pomeranian/#105###zu poses the same danger threat as a pitbull/GSD/rottweiler, and it just depends on the owner ? i agree that it is very much down to owners to keep their dogs in check, but simple physicalities of dogs deem that there are large danger differences between the 2 sets of dogs ive mentioned as examples. simple biology and physics tells you that a dog with the mouth the size of a lhasa, and the muscle behind it to bite, will be no where near what a GSD could impart if it so wished.

if i was walking down the street and got attacked by a #105###zu, itd get a kick in the face, i certainly wouldnt be overly concerned for my safety. if a rottweiler came at me intent on causing me some damage, id be laying a pile of bricks, it could do me some serious damage. im not saying a lhasa bite wouldnt hurt, but regardless of your stance on why dogs are danegrous, you must relaise the difference im pointing out ?

Yes that is exactly what i am saying

A small dog is just as capable of killing or maiming a human as a large dog. Yep an adult may have more chance against a small dog. But the worlrd is not made up of adults is it. Children/Toddlers/Babies are also in the world and are at just as much risk from a small dog as a large.

Many people look at little FeeFee and think its harmless, cant do much, until its taken ya kids face off.

ANY dog can be dangerous, that is a fact, to not take that seriously is naive and idiotic