Cycle Diary... Finished @ Day 127!

totally just depends on your own time constraints - if you could get a good one in prior (ha, wishing I could do this myself but won't!) then the "recharged" tank environment could be working throught the weekend which might be good.. but it doesn't really matter, time solves all cycling ills eventually

wd
 
So today I did a 90% Water change due to no movement at all, followed by a recharge of the correct amount of ammonia and a spoonful of Bicarbonate Soda to raise the pH.

Out of interest before the Bicarb and Ammonia I also tested the GH and KH.

GH - 161, KH - 17.9.

Can anybody let me know whether im doing the right thing and whether there is anything I can do?

Cheers
 
Ok so im REALLY confused this morning, I did my checks and my ammonia has gone sky high again, up to what looks like 8!?!?!?!

I only added 4.5ml of ammonia, and this was meant to be the correct amount! Please somebody help im seriously going insane! Would the Bicarb have made any difference to the ammonia levels?

:(
 
I don't think bicarb should make a difference to the ammount of Ammonia, I know that a higher pH makes ammonia more toxic to fish (as in 0.6 ammonina at 8.5pH is more toxic than 0.6 ammonia at 4.5pH). Is there any reason you are add bicarb whilest you're doing a water change? Is the pH of your tap water low? That GH/KH looks quite high, it might be worth testing your tap water again...
 
I was adding the Bicarb to try and raise the KH and the pH a little. I will check my tap water tonight.

I just dont understand how the small amount of ammonia im adding makes that bigger difference!
 
morning martinking!

It could be that your water authority is using chloramines and when you condition the water the breaking apart of the chlorine and ammonia is adding just enough more ammonia, in addition to what you are adding with your syringe, that you are surprised. Its no big deal. If you really think its up at 8ppm then you could change out some water and get it down some, shouldn't take that much.

The truth is that just simply continuing to add ammonia in some roughly correct amount day after day, on and on, will eventually get these colonies up to what you want. They are just slow to fully develop, so the waiting is the main thing.

One thing to understand about bicarb is that it first raises bicarbonate ions (the KH kit result number will rise) for quite a while before there will be any movement in pH. Eventually, if you add enough, the pH will slowly rise some. By the way, your KH is one (one degree of german hardness, the scale we use more often than the mg/l (ppm) numbers you gave. The conversion number is 17.9 I believe.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Hiya WD,

hope you had a nice time away and you didn't get too pestered! :)

we have had some issues recently that our water supply is being put through some carbon filtration due to some problems. The water company didn't explain why though! They just said it was because the water tasted "earthy".

I dont know! I just want this to sort itself out!
 
ah, sorry to hear that, but really, carbon filtration by the water company shouldn't be a bad thing for you at all. It wouldn't remove the beneficial things you get from tap water like the calcium and some of the needed trace metals, I wouldn't worry about it in terms of your tank and your fishless cycle.

~~waterdrop~~
 
So what should I do about the high levels of Ammonia then? Just keep adding the proper amounts of Ammonia?

I have a 90L Tank and I am adding 4.5ml of Ammonia which is what the calc is telling me.

Should I maybe decrease it a little?

Cheers
 
oh for heaven's sake, that darn calculator again? I sometimes wish that thing were not even there! -You- are the one that needs to control your ammonia input, not the calculator. The aqueous ammonia will be constantly changing its concentration once that screw cap has been first opened on your bottle of ammonia. Therefor the "percentage" number you must put into the calculator as one of its factors, will be inaccurate.

Its much better to just get a feel for how to come in a little low periodically and test your way up to a 4ppm result. None of it is very accurate anyway, but definately don't blindly follow some number for the calculator if its giving you ammonia concentrations that put you too far up over the 4ppm type result.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Wow I REALLY wish somebody had told me that a long time ago!!! That's the problem with believing everything you read I suppose!

I will do some tests tonight and I will see how I get on!

Cheers
 
I've updated day 47 with tonight's results. Doesn't look too bad to be honest!

What do you guys think?

Cheers
 
Another day added and I still have ammonia present, I was really hoping I would of had the chance to add some tonight.

I just dont believe after 48 Days my results are pretty much the same as they were in the first week... :(
 
OK, I've looked over your edited first post again. Several observations and thoughts came to me: on day 33 when you took your old media and started using a new filter - that's significant as I've seen other cases where the colonies did not necessarily just continue on from that point as one might hope, so they may have been set back to some extent at that point, making the thought that you are on day 48 not how your bacteria would see it.

Another curious thing is your stretch in there (days 40+?) where ammonia stayed at 1.0 and you didn't add any more. I guess we probably talked about that but it seems odd to me once again, almost making me wonder whether its something about reading the test result. I assume it must be some shade of light green on the api ammonia test, right?

But then right here at the end after the large water change, you seem to be processing ammonia again. In the late stages of fishless cycling if nitrates(NO3) are going up pretty quickly (as I see yours are) but things seem a bit weird, I feel the kickstart effect of a large water change is a good thing. Its almost as though you get a handy bit of practice on weekends for what your future weekends will be doing gravel cleans. I did quite a few of them in the late stages on our current tank (in my case I needed to repeatedly raise KH/pH because my KH was zero, and I'm aware that's not your case) and came to feel that the fresh 90% of water, with the recharge of 5ppm ammonia gave me a good look at how the processing was going.

I still think you are past your nitrite spike, given that series of 3.3 readings earlier, as hopefully the N-Bacs will have stayed alive through the filter change and that's why we do indeed see NO3 rising eventually after you add ammonia.

Does your ammonia test give you a clear zero when you test your tap water? Assuming your tap water has zero ammonia thats always a reassuring test to see that the kit can indeed give you a good indication of zero ammonia.

~~waterdrop~~
 

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