Coronavirus...post your thoughts here...

[snailaquarium]

This is why the Test and Trace is voluntary

Great, on this ocasion there is nobody else to inform. BTW I am not talking about the app.

 

[snailaquarium]

omg o the phone now by someone saying its compulsory

 

[Essjay]

My understanding is that anyone with a positive test has to isolate regardless of whether or not they've been contacted by an app.

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Stay at home: guidance for households with possible or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

www.gov.uk

 

[snailaquarium]

My understanding is that anyone with a positive test has to isolate regardless of whether or not they've been contacted by an app.

I'm not talking about isolation, I am talking about track and trace where you prat about telling them who you visited recently.

 

[Essjay]

There are a couple of different apps and the rules are different for each one.

Statement by a firm of solicitors, who presumably understand the law:

COVID-19: NHS Test and Trace in workplace guidance updated for 16 August 2021 self-isolation changes (England) - Sunley Workplace Solutions

On 16 August 2021, the Department of Health and Social Care guidance, NHS Test and Trace in the workplace (applicable in England), was updated to reflect the changes to the self-isolation rules.

www.sunleysolicitors.co.uk

 

[snailaquarium]

There are a couple of different apps and the rules are different for each one.

Statement by a firm of solicitors, who presumably understand the law:

COVID-19: NHS Test and Trace in workplace guidance updated for 16 August 2021 self-isolation changes (England) - Sunley Workplace Solutions

On 16 August 2021, the Department of Health and Social Care guidance, NHS Test and Trace in the workplace (applicable in England), was updated to reflect the changes to the self-isolation rules.

www.sunleysolicitors.co.uk

This is talking about people it the workplace/audience is for employers.

 

[snailaquarium]

Finally found some legal evidence, FAQs item 17

Test and Trace | Westminster City Council

Find out about COVID-19 testing

www.westminster.gov.uk

"
17. What if I do not want to provide details, or if those who I have had close
contact with try to persuade me not to hand them over?
The scheme is voluntary. However, we all have a role to play in helping to make the Test
and Trace service work. The more we use Test and Trace, the sooner we will be able to
return to life as close to normal as possible.
We trust the public to “do the right thing” but if you feel uncomfortable about using NHS
Test and Trace, we would like to understand the reasons for not wanting to use the service.
If compliance is low, penalties – such as fines – may be introduced for non-compliance."

 

[Essjay]

It's all theoretical to me as I don't own a smart phone. Mine just makes calls and sends texts......

 

[snailaquarium]

Does anyone know if covid can bounce around a household and it change upon meeting different hosts? For example, if person 1 brings it into the house, infects person 2, they infect person 3, person 1 gets over it, does he risk getting it again from person 3?

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

Does anyone know if covid can bounce around a household and it change upon meeting different hosts? For example, if person 1 brings it into the house, infects person 2, they infect person 3, person 1 gets over it, does he risk getting it again from person 3?

Yes.
That's the whole (much advertised) point about wearing masks, keeping distanced, washing hands and getting vaccinated.
The longer it exists in the population, the more it gets transmitted.
The more it gets transmitted, the more likely it'll mutate.
Most mutations will be no more harmful, some might even be less harmful...but then some will be killers.

Because people haven't been paying attention, having had it, they think they're immune and, being totally selfish, go and pass it on.
They can get it a second time and it could even be more serious.

And a note re vaccinations...even if you're fully vaccinated, you are only 80% 'safe'. This means that you are 20% not safe.
In a room of 5 people, all who have been doubly vaccinated, one can still get the virus and die.

 

[noobfish]

And a note re vaccinations...even if you're fully vaccinated, you are only 80% 'safe'. This means that you are 20% not safe.
In a room of 5 people, all who have been doubly vaccinated, one can still get the virus and die.

So tired of hearing about "breakthrough" infections of the vaccinated. Vaccination doesn't mean immunity. Same as getting a flu shot. It doesn't stop you from getting the flu, just equips your body to better fight the virus and lessen the severity of symptoms. Same with prior infection. You have antibodies to help fight it, but can still get AND transmit it. And as said, those antibodies are for the strain you had, not the latest mutation.

 

[Deleted member 149562]

A knock-on effect to all this.....

Record-breaking 44 container ships are stuck outside California ports

Forty-four freight ships are stuck awaiting entry into California's two largest ports, the highest number recorded since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic. The queue is a result of the labor shortage, COVID-19-related disruptions, and holiday-buying surges. Port of Los ...

www.fleetmon.com

And people wonder why their shops are running low of things, what with containerships stuck outside ports and a lack of truck drivers....we seem to be falling apart at the seams

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

Back in the day, the serious media, (and yes...there WAS serious media)...broadcasters and newspapers had special coorespondents, who actually knew their covered subject. This meant the economics guy was a whizz at economics, the science guy knew science, etc.. Today, that isn't the case, where anyone with a so-called 'degree' gets a job, even though they're illiterate and their reporting is to look it up on social media.
The media really does have a lot to answer for in this pandemic.

 

[Colin_T]

Does anyone know if covid can bounce around a household and it change upon meeting different hosts? For example, if person 1 brings it into the house, infects person 2, they infect person 3, person 1 gets over it, does he risk getting it again from person 3?

Person 1 is unlikely to get it again if everyone in the house gets it at the same time (or within a few weeks of each other). However, they might catch another strain of it later on, but it will be less damaging to them because they will have some immunity to it from their first exposure and case.

Viruses can and do mutate, but it is unlikely to change in a week or so. Most of the mutations have come from places where there were tens of thousands of cases at the same time and this gives the virus more chance of mutating.

The chance of a virus mutating in a household when 3 or 4 people are infected, is virtually non existent.

 

[Fishmanic]

Booster shot are starting to be distributed her in the US. I should be eligible in about a month.