Bloated Stomach... Help Needed Quickly.

[Canis-Equus]

I might be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy off the mark here, but do you absolutely know that that 'worm' came out of that fish.

Did you cut the fish and take out a worm?

By any chance, the tanks those 'worms' were found in arent open to the air at all are they?

I ask because that parasite actually looks like a mosquito larvae. like these http/www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/im...llsize/1249.jpg

Thought id throw that possibility into the mix, as i think treating all your surviving fish for an internal parasite they may not have is probably not wise if that IS a mosquito larvae and nothing to do iwth your fishes illness and demise.

 

[jollysue]

I think a good diagnosis would be best also at this stage.

 

[-germ-]

I think a good diagnosis would be best also at this stage.

Mildly condescending....

However i don't think dragonfly larvae are associated with bloat?
Or is that another poor diagnosis

Although it is (imo) some form of larvae in the recent pics, i don't think this is what is causing fatalities......

I've obviously not helped on this thread and will steer clear from now one and leave it up to those in the know.

 

[zoekin8yg]

its def a larva of some kind and highly unlikely to have caused the problem. will see if i can find what sort

 

[-germ-]

Can't search for ID, off to hospital to see baby rushing;
Not sure if this link has been posted as yet but got PM-->
http/www.bgsd.k12.wa.us/hml/jr_cam/macro...c/flatworm.html

Like i said first time round camallanus is my best bet, which isn't included in the ID site, bear in mind that you could have more than one parsite, hope someone gets it sorted, if not speak to you in erm......
11 hours, sorry.....

Try the link provided earlier, may help although i think any ID would be difficult to do with the pics provided and believe the OP is the only one in the position to give a 100% positive ID
Anyway, like i said i need to leave this thread alone.

 

[jollysue]

I think a good diagnosis would be best also at this stage.

Mildly condescending....

I'm sorry I don't understand. It wasn't meant that way. To whom did I condescend?

However i don't think dragonfly larvae are associated with bloat?

Is it?


Or is that another poor diagnosis

Although it is (imo) some form of larvae in the recent pics, i don't think this is what is causing fatalities......

I've obviously not helped on this thread and will steer clear from now one and leave it up to those in the know.

I really am having trouble following. I think we all are a bit stumped here and just want to help and are concerned that we have erred. I know I am. And I would not be surprised at this point if there is not more than one problem. Who is right isn't what is important (although I am not overly pleased with being way off the mark.) I am not sure I ever really said "this is what is wrong." I made several suggestions other than parasitic and have been skeptical of the parasite diagnosis as unlikely, but I didn't rule it out--just wasn't my first choice. But if it is a parasite, then you should stick around and help, germ. It isn't a pissing contest. I'm not well equiped.

How about helping with Spooky's fungus and whitespot? Mostly a question of UK med mixtures.

 

[-germ-]

Apologies, i'm getting very little sleep atm so probably being a little paranoid, anyhoo back to the OP.
Basically the thing protruding from IceGrrls fishes anus looks Exactly like camallanus. The symptoms also fit extremely well.
This diagnosis is not only based on what i've researched in the 5/6 months i've kept fish, it also fits exactly with the various literatures i own due to my (possibly morbid) deep interest in fish illnesses.
The dragonfly larvae (or at least that is what it appears to be) will not have caused bloat, i can't ID the unknown inhabitant with out better pics but IceGrrl may be able to do so using the thread i provided.
Apologies if i've dithered on this topic, fish illnesses are a difficult subject, in the vast majority of cases on this board without one or a combination of;
Smeer testing. Faecal analysis. Post-mortem.
Most diagnoses will inevitably be experience or research based, hence basically; logical assumption.

Good luck IceGrrl, let me know if you do get things sorted or if you have any other questions, i'll happily do my best to help out.

Sue i don't like to go in all guns with my suggestions toward a diagnosis due to the above bolded reasons and tend to be as careful as possible about not saying it is or isn't what i have suggested; I tend to leave this up to the other posters on this board.
Anyway, cheers for the heads up on spooky, i've done my best.

 

[jollysue]

I think ICEEGRL is doing her own thing now, as I have not seen her address the issue anymore. She got a bunch of stuff and is doing whatever she planned or plans. I think she has had her fill of us.

We did the best we knew and gave her what we thought was important. So as you say it is now up to her.

Personally, that's what I always do. I get everyone's input when I think it will help, and then I do what I finally decide to do. Over a few years I have my own approach and way of dealing. Half the time it is a scatter gun approach with my arsonal of weapons. Sometimes I don't even have the heart or time to try. My first few big sicknesses I went without sleep, spent a fortune, learned a lot, and didn't save many fish in the end. The species only tanks are easier to treat and win. The big community tank is hard: hard to catch the blighters in time to successfully treat them, and a disaster when I treat the tank. I finally put a uv on it with 3 large filters and more water changes. Now a black or dark green algae is distroying it and the plecs won't touch it. But the fish are doing good.

I am often tired and abrupt.

 

[ICEEGRL]

Ok... Sorry I was away for so long. I treated the tank and was waiting to see if it worked. I am also having health problems.
First... That link could be what they were.
No I didn't remove one from the dead fish so I am not positive. I just saw what you see in her belly. It looks like one going up the middle of her belly. She even has the black part on one end.
I know it sounds a bit much, but my fish are much more than just pets to me. I could never have cut her. (not even with her dead) All I could do was cry.
Both tanks do have open tops.
I took down the 10g. That just left the 55g to deal with.
This is where it stands now. I only have one fish that has an obvious problem. I can't catch her, and I can't get a pic of her. She stays in the plants most of the time. When she does come out she just darts right back in. I am going to try again tonight when I feed. She is just so fast! All I usually get is a blur in the pics. I have not seen any worms in the tank or these remaining fish. I just have this one danio to figure out.
I have had these fish for about a year now.
I will post in a little bit after I feed and try to get a pic.
Thanks for all the help!
I really appreciate everyone that has tried. Right or wrong... You tried, and that means a lot!
Thank you!

 

[ICEEGRL]

These pics are really bad, but you can maybe get the idea. I took over 100 and these are the best. I am going to add a bunch so maybe you can tell something.
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The color is a bit off in these, but you may be able to tell a little more.
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The one where she looks like she has huge lumps... she does.
I don't know what caused the pics and wording to be all over the place, but it won't let me fix it.Sorry.
I am trying again to fix it. Hopefully it will work.

 

[WILDER]

Never seen that parasite before, don't know what it is.What wormer have you used as you can get egg laying parasites and have to treat up to 4 weeks.Is there a vet you can take the parasite to so they cant take a look at it.http/edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_FA041

 

[ICEEGRL]

The pics above is the remaining fish that has a problem. I am not sure if she even has the same problem as the other one. The other one was extremely bloated, but it wasn't lumpy like this one. This one is still eating and swimming and doing everything normally. The other one quit everything, and just laid on the bottom. They act and look completely different.

I am adding a couple more pics of the "thing" I had in the tank. I have not seen anything since then. I would still like to be sure what they were.
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Maybe you can be more sure from these.

What causes a danio to get all lumpy like that?
Thanks for helping!

 

[WILDER]

Wow that gross, the thing with parasites is that they can cause bacterial infections on top.
Look for sores or pierce marks on the fish.
Internal paarasites they can get a hollow belly, or blow up like a balloon.
Have you tryed putting that pic up in tropical chat to see if any ones knows whatt the parasite is.

 

[ICEEGRL]

I haven't even thought of that. There is a link in this post that looks kind of like it. I can't remember right now what it was, but it was a bug of some kind. I just can't be sure.
I haven't seen anything on this fish, but I haven't gotten a really good look at her yet either. I can't catch her. I am going to try again tonight. I will let you know if I am able to get a good look at her.
Thanks for helping!

 

[WILDER]

I need to read through the whole thread but it late now and i'm tired.
Where was the bug on the fish was it oval shaped with legs.