Bloated Stomach... Help Needed Quickly.

nitrate 20
nitrite 0
gh 50
kh doesn't match any color on the chart!
pH 7

The chart shows colors from yellow to green, but the color I get looks blue (not green). I don't know what that means.
I think instead of doing water changes twice a week I am going to start doing small ones daily for a while to see if that helps. I started running the bubble bar for more water movement to up the oxygen. I noticed a couple of my corys breathing a little faster than normal last night. I hope that will help bring down the nitrate levels some too.
I am going to try to get the pics ready now.
Thanks!
 
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One of they corys (in pic) that has a bump on her head and one that looks like she has a small wound by her eye. Other than that I have a few danios that look swollen, and the one lumpy belly one.
I figured since it has been so hard to figure out what is going on in here... Maybe pictures would help. I hope someone can see something in there that I don't. I really need to figure out what is going on so I don't lose any more fish.

Thanks for helping!
 
You have alot of ill health in your tank.
Have you lost any fish to bent spines and being skinny.
 
You have alot of ill health in your tank.Have you lost any fish to bent spines and being skinny.
Are you thinking what I'm thinking wilder? I've just sat and read the whole thread and noticed a lot of bent spines in those pics. I think there a fish tuberculosis problem in the tank too, if that's the case, there's no treatment, all you can do is quarantine the tank and make their final days as pleasant as possible.The water also looks quite cloudy? Or is that just the pics?
 
Are you thinking what I'm thinking wilder? I've just sat and read the whole thread and noticed a lot of bent spines in those pics. I think there a fish tuberculosis problem in the tank too, if that's the case, there's no treatment, all you can do is quarantine the tank and make their final days as pleasant as possible.The water also looks quite cloudy? Or is that just the pics?
Havent read the whole thread but if fish have died of bent spines she looking at fish tb, with all the ill health and deaths is sounds possible that she has tb in her tank.
 
I have only had 1 fish to actually die so far. I have several that are not shaped right, but still very much alive.
With the tb... can they give it to other fish? (Or me?)
The water is pretty clear. I think it is just the angle I have to get at to get a pic. This tank is in the wrong spot for pictures. I have yet to get a really good pic since I set it up.
What causes tb in fish?
I thought tb coused an s shape. Mine don't. Mine have a sort of rounded back. It is only the females though. I just thought it was because of carrying eggs.
What is that bump on the cory's head in the close up shot?

How many problems do you see? What are they?

What do I do now?

:blink: :shout:
 
I'm just getting in this discussion after reading all the posts.

Whatever happens... You sound like such a nice lady and so caring about your fish... I can't give you any answers but just wanted to jump in with that. I wish everyone in the world was just like you.

Good luck with your fishes! :good:
 
Yes, happyannie, she is a great lady. This has been a real test for her on top of some real personal tragedies too. And ICEEGRL has been told her fish have everything scary.

There is treatment for tb though I hear when it is caught early. The damage can't be corrected, but the disease can be cured. The Wolf has some threads.
 
Add 1tsp of salt to the tank and raise the temperature to 84-86 is probably the best thing u can do right now. I have two experiance with dropsy the first was 2 neon tetra which is too late for any treatment since the scale is already stick up so in that case I suggest just give him a peaceful death. My second is with one of my denisonii barb I have right now, thing is that I spot him with dropsy right on the first day when he got it, so I remove him to my hospital tank and treat with salt and raising temperature quickly and the next day his fine.
 
I have only had 1 fish to actually die so far. I have several that are not shaped right, but still very much alive. With the tb... can they give it to other fish? (Or me?)The water is pretty clear. I think it is just the angle I have to get at to get a pic. This tank is in the wrong spot for pictures. I have yet to get a really good pic since I set it up. What causes tb in fish? I thought tb coused an s shape. Mine don't. Mine have a sort of rounded back. It is only the females though. I just thought it was because of carrying eggs. What is that bump on the cory's head in the close up shot?How many problems do you see? What are they? What do I do now? :blink: :shout:
Hi IG,Symptoms of TB include but aren't limited to curved spine, loss of weight, can also be bloated and twitchyness. Jollysue may have different info but as far as I'm aware there is NO cure. However, the good news is it's not particularly infectious, it only spreads when a fish dies and is eaten by the others. You will have to quarantine your tank though, no fish in, no fish out until you're sure you have no TB left.The cories look a bit unhealthy, their skin is very dull and almost looks velvetish, have they been displaying any flashing or twitching?As for the TB, healthy fish can actually survive a long time with TB, the important thing is to QT the tank and keep water conditions as perfect as you possibly can.P.S No salt I'm afraid, the cories won't tolerate it.
 
scooterchick:

A successful treatment
Another opinion
and another


a very informative one



And perhaps the most concise and accurate
National Fish Pharmacueticals

Fish TB is bacterial--therefore it can be cured, but it is difficult and can take a long time.
It can be transmitted by contact and through the water--obvious since humans have gotten it from putting their hands in infected tanks. But generally this is from having an open wound.

There are a multitude of experiences and opinions on this subject. Much of it is just that, unsupported opinion.

A recent thread by The-Wolf Picine TB

EDIT: I had trouble with one of the links, but it is fixed now.

There is lots of confusion on this subject and, as The-Wolf says, lots of myth. Dropsy is another that is confused for some of the same reasons, I imagine. Such as the above poster recommending salt for dropsy. Since dropsy is a symptom of a variety of conditions, the correct treatment is dependent on the cause. Different treatments work different times, because there are different conditions.

There is more than one bacterium which causes what is called fish TB so there would be different outcomes. But as The-Wolf says, there are other causes of the symptoms (such as bent spines), so there are different out comes and some treatments work sometimes and some don't. Congenital deformity will not yield to antibiotics. As is often said, true diagnosis comes from a vet and medical tests. We really deal with many hits and misses.
 
'Cures and treatment
Effectively, there is no sensible cure. The only way to cure the infected aquarium is to immediately remove infected fish as soon as they show any symptoms. Ideally all other susceptible fish should also be removed.

Van Duijn cites cases where treatment of the open wounds with penicillin ointment have effected a cure. As the disease is bacterial, antibiotics should work, but in general these are only available on veterinary prescription and injection of infected fish may be required, so such cures are hardly useful,to the average aquarium keeper.

Sterba says that the spread of the disease can be hindered by:

Good husbandry and a varied diet can prevent acute symptoms, even in infected fish.
All fish with external signs must be removed immediately and killed: never use them for breeding.
Fish which have shared a tank with an infected one should not be given away or sold but should be isolated and carefully looked after.
In breeding tanks, diseased stocks must be destroyed and the tank disinfected with 1:1000 potassium permanganate solution '

The above taken from one of the links you provided.

I certainly don't want to argue about this but as far as I'm concerned there's no cure for the average aquarist. Perhaps there are medications available from a vet after a concise diagnosis but I can only imagine professional fish keepers going to that length. For you and me and Joe public, there is no effective cure other that what I suggested by QTing the tank and keeping conditions as good as possible.

Really this whole thread has been clutching at straws, the best advice for ICEGIRL is simply to continue doing as many water changes as possible, treating with anti internal bacterial med and not adding any further fish. And also to put a hood in the tank to prevent outside contamination (not sure if there is one, ignore if there is).

Really hope things improve for you soon IG.

All the best.
 
My point with the different links is that there is verry little consensus of opinion, not that they were all correct.

Fish TB

May 13, 1997

Fish tuberculosis (TB) is something very similar to that which can infect humans. In Fact, there are several different types of TB causing bacteria in the same genus, including that which is known to cause TB in man.

The bacteria which causes fish TB is known as Mycobacteria marinum. Luckily, fish TB is not very contagious, and as a result, if symptoms are noticed early, it will not have an effect on the other life in the aquarium. Symptoms include the following:

loss of appetite
fish remains in seclusion and out of site
rapid breathing (respiration)
eyes appear to be cloudy or "popping out"
fish lies on its side near bottom of aquarium
stomach of fish appears to be sunken
whittish blotches on exterior
degraded and frayed fins
The fish can last for weeks with these symptoms, often allowing for detection and treatment before permanent effects are caused. Although this disease is not very contagious, it is a good idea to remove the fush from the main aquarium into a treatment tank. This disease slowly degrades the health of the fish by depositing small "tubercules" on many of the major internal organs of the fish.

Treatment of fish TB is rather difficult since it effects the internal portions of the fish. The best way to treat it is to prevent it by keeping a balanced diet for you fish, and making sure that the quality of the environment in your aquarium is good. If you are unlucky enough to have to treat TB, the infected fish should be placed in a separate treatment tank. 40 grams per gallon of streptomycin and isoniazid, each, should be added to the treatment tank. Treatment can be increased by adding streptomycin to food. There are several other diseases which can be mistaken for fish TB. The best plan is to be overly careful. Monitor the fish closely, and check for the symptoms listed above. While treatment of this disease is possible, the best plan is to keep the quality of the fish's environment as clean as possible. This will reduce the chance of fish infection with TB, as well as decrease the chance that other bacterial and fungal sicknesses will overcome your fish.

And again from National Fish Pharmacueticals:


FISH DISEASE ARTICLES: MYCOBACTERIOSIS


Synonyms: Fish tuberculosis, piscine tuberculosis, acid-fast disease, granuloma disease.

Mycobacteriosis is worldwide in distribution. All fish species should be considered susceptible. Some are more susceptible than others, like gouramis, neon tetras, discus and labyrinth air breathers.

Clinical Signs:

Mycobacteriosis is a chronic progressive disease. It may take years for it to develop into a clinically apparent illness. Some signs to look out for include: Lethargy, anorexia, fin and scale loss, exopthalmia, emaciation, skin inflamation and ulceration, edema, peritonitis and nodules in muscles that may deform the fish.

Examinations usually reveal gray or white nodules in the liver, kidney, heart or spleen. There also may be skeletal deformities. Diagnosis is usually based on clinical signs and the presence of acid fast bacteria in tissue sections.

Mycobacteria are gram-positive, pleomorphic rods that are acid-fast and nonmotile. They form cream-colored to yellow colonies on solid media. It is suggested that transmission of this disease may be caused by contaminated food.

infection rates can be quite high in contaminated freshwater tropical fish production facilities. The aquatic environment is considered the reservoir. Mycobacterium marinum has been cultured from swimming pools beaches natural streams estuaries tropical fish tanks and city tap water Human epidemics of granulomatous skin disease have occurred from swimming in infected water This mode of human infection is much more common than infection from exposure to infected tropical fish tanks. This disease will usually attack a sore or abrasion and be apparent about 2-3 weeks after exposure.

Treatment and Control:

Kanamycin + Vitamin B-6 for 30 days is the most effective treatment that we know of for tuberculosis. The fish should be quarantined during treatment time. Liquid baby vitamins found at your local pharmacy are a good source of vitamin B-6. One drop per every 5 gallons of aquarium water is sufficient. Replace the vitamins according to how much water is changed in the tank during treatment time.

Overcrowding and poor water quality are usually the cause of this disease.

Be careful, this disease may spread to humans.



Best Regards,


Dr. Gary Aukes; Pharm D, Dr. Brian Aukes; PhD., and the staff of National Fish Pharmaceuticals.
National Fish Pharmacueticals

The treatments in both of these articles are easily obtainable in the States.

Of course it is not about arguing. It is about answers. But these fish antibiotics are available in the States, and the fish can get the disease from sources other than eating dead fish.

There are cases I have repeatedly read where something diagnosed as fish tb was cured.

I agree completely, scooterchick, that good husbandry at this point is the best treatment, short of a vet, that IG can do. My primary position through this whole thing is that there is so far no reliable diagnosis, and it is just lots of guesses, most of which are unlikely, in my opinion.
 

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