Aquarium Salt?

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Hello, I just recently set up a freshwater aquarium, 20 gallons. I made the mistake of stocking my tank before it was cycled, and I had two fish deaths, but since then, I've taken good care of the other three fish (water changes, adding an airstone, testing the water, adding ammonia remover).

That's all besides the point, I just purchased freshwater aquarium salt, I would like to know if I should use it. My readings from about 5 days ago are pH is around 6.5, alkalinity over 300 ppm, Hardness is close to 0 ppm. Should I use it, and if so, how much?

Thanks!
 
ive been told mixed opinions. they say that it does bring stress down, but some people say it doesnt and is a waste of money. i dont really agree with either
 
Some people use it but personally I never do - and some fish would react badly to it - corys for instance, and if you keep a community tank it can prevent some fish from breeding.

Salt also doesn’t evaporate, and can only be removed by water changes and plants will not survive higher concentrations as well.Freshwater fish already contain salt in their body (just as we do) and have to constantly eliminate it in the water - mainly through respiration and urine, and if there is salt in the water it can be very detrimental to their health and will affect their equilibrium if you get the doseage wrong.

So its a no for me but im sure many on here will say otherwise. :lol:
 
Freshwater fish do not need salt. A sudden change in salinity will put some stress on your fish if you add it due to the resulting change in osmotic pressure. Save it for treating a disease.
 
There's no need to use aquarium salt at all. Aquarium salt, sometimes called tonic salt, does not raise hardness, carbonate hardness, or pH. It does not buffer against anything. All aquarium salt does is raise salinity, and this can be useful in a very specific selection of situations. For example, a combination of head and salt can be used to treat whitespot more safely than formalin or copper. But apart from applications such as that, the routine addition of salt is obsolete and may even be harmful. Some aquarists consider to do so, but you'll be hard pressed to find any expert fishkeepers who do so.

If you have a pH around 6.5, but the carbonate hardness is 300 mg/l, something is very, very wrong. Carbonate hardness (which is more or less the same thing as alkalinity) is the ability of water to resist pH drops, i.e., acidification. Levels of carbonate hardness are measured in mg/l (= ppm) calcium carbonate. You can convert that amount into degrees KH by dividing by 17.83, so a carbonate hardness of 300 ppm is just under 17 degrees KH, which is a very, very high level of alkalinity. I'd expect a pH around 8. This is ideal for livebearers, Tanganyikan cichlids, brackish water fish, and various other fish that need hard, alkaline water. On the other hand it's far too hard for soft water fish like tetras, barbs, rasboras and angelfish.

My guess is that your tap water is rather unusual, perhaps because it's well water. In any case, you need to do a few things. First, draw some water from the tap, test the pH and carbonate hardness, and then test both again 12 hours later. See if the water chemistry changes. Often it does because of the gases and other substances in the tap water. Do also check you are using your test kits properly. Water that is soft and has a pH around 6.5 because it contains organic acids from decaying vegetation will also have a very low carbonate hardness, typically less than 3 degrees KH, i.e., less than 50 mg/l calcium carbonate.

In any case, salt has nothing to do with fixing this.

Cheers, Neale

PS. You may find my article on water chemistry useful, here:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/fwh2oquality.htm

Hello, I just recently set up a freshwater aquarium, 20 gallons. I made the mistake of stocking my tank before it was cycled, and I had two fish deaths, but since then, I've taken good care of the other three fish (water changes, adding an airstone, testing the water, adding ammonia remover).

That's all besides the point, I just purchased freshwater aquarium salt, I would like to know if I should use it. My readings from about 5 days ago are pH is around 6.5, alkalinity over 300 ppm, Hardness is close to 0 ppm. Should I use it, and if so, how much?

Thanks!
 
Freshwater fish do not need salt. Its only helpful use is now relegated to rare ich treatments or perhaps some other diseases. Neale has provided us an excellent writeup in the other copy of this thread. WD
 
I must agree with NMonks evaluation of your stated water conditions. The only way your water would make sense to me is if you were relying on some less than accurate paper test strips for the pH and KH.
 
I am going to merge these threads. No reason to get part of the answer in each place. I just spotted the duplication.
 
I never use aquarium salt in my community tanks. I do put it in the water for my Bettas when ever I do water changes on them. They are very prone to fin rot and this helps to keep them from getting it.
 
It's hard to understand why salt should help. It isn't an antibiotic. Salt does reduce the toxicity of nitrite and nitrate, and it *may* reduce osmotic stress when a fish has been wounded. If your bettas are prone to finrot, then you have to ask yourself why. Bettas kept in 5+ gallon tanks with air-powered biological filters and heaters don't develop finrot any more often than other types of fish.

Cheers, Neale

I never use aquarium salt in my community tanks. I do put it in the water for my Bettas when ever I do water changes on them. They are very prone to fin rot and this helps to keep them from getting it.
 
Most breeders and people who show them ( as I do)use salt just as a precaution. We have at any given time anywhere between 50 - 100 Betta fry that are jared. These jars have to have water changes twice a week. I don't know the chemistry behind it but salt does cure fin rot and also helps keep it at bay.
 
As I said, salt reduces the toxicity of nitrite, and that could easily be the factor here. But the bottom line is that keeping bettas in jars without filters isn't "good" fishkeeping.

It may be the only economically viable way to keep bettas because of their aggression and fecundity -- I don't argue with that -- but as an analogy for any other type of fishkeeping it's unacceptable and misleading. Keeping fish in unfiltered tanks exposes them to non-zero levels of ammonia and nitrite, and as your post above points out, the inevitable result of that is disease. So thanks for reinforcing my point for me: don't use salt, and do provide good conditions.

Cheers, Neale

Most breeders and people who show them ( as I do)use salt just as a precaution. We have at any given time anywhere between 50 - 100 Betta fry that are jared. These jars have to have water changes twice a week. I don't know the chemistry behind it but salt does cure fin rot and also helps keep it at bay.
 

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