Woman Jailed Over Tail Dockings

[modaz]

the idea that a person shouldnt have a dog if the environment isnt right for it is a somewhat BIZZARE thing to say (regarding this topics issues ofcourse). so as for springers (example) so what would you do to protect it from damaging its tail? add padding to the walls and furniture?

Bit of an extreme remedy, but there's nothing 'bizzare' about adapting your home if you get a pet. If you get a rabbit, you rabbit proof the house or garden (oh what a lot of fun *that* is...). If you have a baby (lol, not a pet, but still) you child-proof your house. Likewise for cats, ferrets, birds... So why not for dogs?

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[raptorrex]

the idea that a person shouldnt have a dog if the environment isnt right for it is a somewhat BIZZARE thing to say (regarding this topics issues ofcourse). so as for springers (example) so what would you do to protect it from damaging its tail? add padding to the walls and furniture?

Bit of an extreme remedy, but there's nothing 'bizzare' about adapting your home if you get a pet. If you get a rabbit, you rabbit proof the house or garden (oh what a lot of fun *that* is...). If you have a baby (lol, not a pet, but still) you child-proof your house. Likewise for cats, ferrets, birds... So why not for dogs?

Of course its always wise to adapt your home to your pet, but some dogs really do have problems. My aunt had a springer spaniel which acted like it was on speed or something 24/7, it never sat still for a moment (even though she walked the dog for hours and hours every day).
I remember the dog sustained some pretty nasty injuries (sores, bruises and wounds and stuff) on its tail from constantly wagging its tail all the time and ending up accidentally whacking its tail on stuff (like chairs). It had to see the vet numerous times, for weeks at a time its tail would be covered in bandages to stop it opening up its wounds. I don't know if the dog got its tail docked in the end (i'm pretty sure it did though), i unfortunately lost contact with my aunt after that.

Now my aunt lived in a BIG house at the time. It was hardly like it was some crampt city flat with no space to stretch. It was the dog which couldn't help the problem, not her. What would you have had her do, take out all the chairs and tables in her house? Ban the dog to live in a dog pen 24/7 with nothing in it so it couldn't hurt its tail etc?

i'm afraid i would! though i would suggest, she got a more suitable dog.
i still can not see why the dog should be adapted, and not its, potentially dangerous, environment.

It just goes against logic. well to me anyway.
i do agree on ear cropping being cruel. but no more or less than i feel about tail cropping.

 

[I Love my fishies]

Overall we are stupid animals. We have screwed ourself and the rest of the animals on this world. And no im not an activist or environmentalist. Just a person who likes to tell people where they stand. USA rules. Screw everyone else.

Aren't you from Australia?

'USA rules screw everyone else'???

 

[raptorrex]

Overall we are stupid animals. We have screwed ourself and the rest of the animals on this world. And no im not an activist or environmentalist. Just a person who likes to tell people where they stand. USA rules. Screw everyone else.

Aren't you from Australia?

'USA rules screw everyone else'? ??

honestly. can you think of a comment that sums up Bozza's post better? lol however off topic it was.

 

[modaz]

Overall we are stupid animals. We have screwed ourself and the rest of the animals on this world. And no im not an activist or environmentalist. Just a person who likes to tell people where they stand. USA rules. Screw everyone else.

Aren't you from Australia?

'USA rules screw everyone else'? ??

honestly. can you think of a comment that sums up Bozza's post better? lol however off topic it was.

I love my fishes DOES have a point whether it is off topic or not, the comment was completely and utterly rude to some members and i find it unacceptable

 

[I Love my fishies]

I just really think we don't need that sort of attitude especially when speaking about such topic's that sort of attitude is exactly what al lot of people have who are cruel to animals (i.e humans rule screw the animals)

I really don't mean any offence by my comment Bozza perhaps you weren't being serious when you said that I don't know ….. I just found it a little insulting and rude I do not like it when people insinuate they are superior or above others because of race, nationality, looks, income, status or anything like that.

I think this Forum should practise tolerance and comments like that are really not needed.

 

[PoptartShop]

That's terrible.
But only 2 months? That's not enough to me.

 

[Bozza]

Geez lighten up people. We all have opinions and you can not say you dont. But the thing is I said what I was thinking. But the rest of you are only saying what everyone else wants to hear. Build a bridge and get over it.


Sorry Tokis-Phoenix for taking your thread to a different topic. It was bad what the woman did but in my opinion her sentence isnt long enough.


Bozza out

 

[I Love my fishies]

Geez lighten up people. We all have opinions and you can not say you dont. But the thing is I said what I was thinking. But the rest of you are only saying what everyone else wants to hear. Build a bridge and get over it.


Sorry Tokis-Phoenix for taking your thread to a different topic. It was bad what the woman did but in my opinion her sentence isnt long enough.


Bozza out

Bozza -I have no problem that you shared your point of view the only comment I was talking bout was "USA rules Screw everyone else" - really what was the point of a comment like that and you are from Australia are you saying to all your fellow country men/woman (Australians) screw you? If so why don't you move to America? I just don't inderstand your comment.



Anyway back to the topic I agree with Tokis-Phoenix tail docking is WRONG for cosmetic reasons but if it is for health reasons or improvement of the dogs life (i.e "I remember the dog sustained some pretty nasty injuries (sores, bruises and wounds and stuff) on its tail from constantly wagging its tail all the time and ending up accidentally whacking its tail on stuff (like chairs). ") is acceptable.

 

[Synirr]

WTF is up with this thread.

 

[sandfire]

I hate docking,

My mother has cocker spaniels, a breed which was docked. She was told by long established breeders that it does not hurt them and they don't feel it. She had one litter 5 years ago and had them docked the screams from those puppies I am told was horrendous, its was utter rubbish that it does not hurt. Would you chop the thumb or finger of a one day old baby because its bones are soft…NO!

My mother never wanted to breed Cockers again because of it and never did until the ban, she had a litter 20 weeks ago and all 6 puppies have amazing wagging tails and dew claws and they look brilliant. Despite all the nasty comments some of the 'show' lot have said "oh doesn't it look awful.". Its beautiful and natural.

I could never understand why chopping of a tail was aloud, 90% of the dogs would never work anyway, it was purely for cosmetic reasons and I am so pleased it stopped.

Although I am till seeing very young puppies with tails at puppy training… so this woman must not be the only breeder DIY'ing tails!

Barbaric!

 

[dwarfgourami]

I find it fascinating to see how this woman of 51 is described as "an older woman" by the posters who want evoke pity for her. The implication seems to be that you need to make allowances for somebody of such an advanced age, you need to protect them. Doesn't leave me with long to enjoy my remaining marbles then...
Incidentally, both George Bush and Gordon Brown are quite a bit older than that. In fact, you don't often get to run a country until you are 51 or over. Or is it because she is a woman that we are to assume that she is non compos 15 years before the standard age of retirement?

 

[OohFeeshy]

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Fairy snuff, I didn't word that terribly well and it was more of a generalised statement.

Now my aunt lived in a BIG house at the time. It was hardly like it was some crampt city flat with no space to stretch. It was the dog which couldn't help the problem, not her. What would you have had her do, take out all the chairs and tables in her house? Ban the dog to live in a dog pen 24/7 with nothing in it so it couldn't hurt its tail etc?

But you can't take single examples as even slight justification for a general act. Some dogs have problems like that, some children have problems like that, some of any species have problems like that. That's nature for you. But RE the 'what would you do' or similar question, I don't see what's such a problem with the first option. You don't have to take out all the furniture, but it's simple enough to make some modifications that mean a balance between potential injury and personal wants if it comes to it. I'd rather live without a few tables than put my dog (if I had one like that) through the pain and stress.

 

[cheesy feet]

Overall we are stupid animals. We have screwed ourself and the rest of the animals on this world. And no im not an activist or environmentalist. Just a person who likes to tell people where they stand. USA rules. Screw everyone else.

..How can you 'screw everyone else? ...Probably the most provocative sentence I have ever heard on the forum. How have we have 'screwed' ourself though? (I agree we have messed up and made animals extinct etc)...Without revolution we would probably be much worse of then we are now...

 

[l.michelle]

I am against tail docking, I have read the entire thread, and I can see things here and there as arguments from pro-tail docking, however, the fact that a breed of dog seems more energetic than others, and therefore their tails should be docked is a rather poor arguement, in my view. Every dog runs around the house, abngs into things, wags it's tail and hits things, etc., my two pups do it all day, it is up to the owner to take the time and train the dog not to get so hyper over everything, to calm the dog down. Taking the position that "it could happen" I don't agree with. Anything could happen to anyone at anytime, someone could get their hair caught in the door of the subway, but that doesn't mean that when children are born we cut their hair drastically short.