walmart betta cruelty

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today i went to walmart and saw that all their fish were dead dieing, or had ich (big surprise), but i saw something new, they had a female and male betta both in a small vase together. below that was a sighn, "thogh bettas are very aggressive, while keeping them with the oposite sex they become timid and will not harm eachother." they are starteing to sell kits now that include, one 1/2g vase, a bag of colored pebbles, conditioner, leafy plant, and a male and female betta. total price, 30 bux. i was out raged at this, and spoke to the department leader. i told her what they were doing was wrong and corrected her on the proper traetment of teh fish. she nodded, said i was the third person to tell her that today, and took down the sighn. i went on my way, very pissed and after doing my business i went back to the department to see whats changed. the sighn wa back up, the 2 bettas were in the bowl together again, and the lady was emptying the contents of the betta cups whose residents had died. is there nothing that can be done to stop this! what do i need to do to have fish marked down as animals, not decorations? :X
 
That is disgusting!

I would definitely get in contact with the Humane Society or the SPCA. A friend of mine did because of the poor betta conditions in a store here, and they said they would investigate that afternoon. The bettas do seem better off now, probably due to the fact that the SPCA were called in, so that may be your best option.
 
MissD said:
That is disgusting!

I would definitely get in contact with the Humane Society or the SPCA. A friend of mine did because of the poor betta conditions in a store here, and they said they would investigate that afternoon. The bettas do seem better off now, probably due to the fact that the SPCA were called in, so that may be your best option.
That would be me. :nod:

I'm not sure fish are considered animals legally in Canada either, but the SPCA will do something regardless.


Why am I not surprised BettaMomma's already been here.. I bet she makes a trip to that store and yells at whoever is on staff that day! :lol:
 
OH, and littlefishie - I contacted the SPCA in Ontario (not sure where you're at in canada) several months back. I reported someone who was intentionally fighting bettas and advertising - looking for others to fight bettas with. I did my homework and finally found them in Toronto. They got back to me and I sent in all the info so they could investigate the case.

According to the info I got back from them, they consider EVERY living, breathing thing (including fish) to be "animals" and they prosecute to the full extent of the law. SO - if you want to report a store in your area, google for SPCA in ontario (or wherever you live) - you should be able to contact them. They got back to me the same day.
 
littlefishie Posted: Mar 15 2005, 03:02 AM

Somehow I can imagine you taking a road trip this weekend..

Where's the betta bus?!

Where IS the betta bus when we need it.
I was wondering if it's a 24 hour store.... :hey:
 
BettaMomma said:
OH, and littlefishie - I contacted the SPCA in Ontario (not sure where you're at in canada) several months back. I reported someone who was intentionally fighting bettas and advertising - looking for others to fight bettas with. I did my homework and finally found them in Toronto. They got back to me and I sent in all the info so they could investigate the case.

According to the info I got back from them, they consider EVERY living, breathing thing (including fish) to be "animals" and they prosecute to the full extent of the law. SO - if you want to report a store in your area, google for SPCA in ontario (or wherever you live) - you should be able to contact them. They got back to me the same day.
I did do that. ;) That's was MissD was talking about earlier, I had to report the WalMart in my hometown. Apparently the conditions have been better since that happened.
Location is precisely where I am in Canada.. Ontario is the province, the rest is right down to the detail, unless you want my rez! :thumbs:

Now, for that betta bus.. You need one!
If it's a 24 hour store, I think the night manager may be in for some trouble.. :whistle:
 
I just called the store and spoke to a manager.
He was awesome. I told him how the fish would fight and probably end up dead.
He said he was not even aware of these things, and he was going to go over and check on them. He took down my phone number (maybe he's going to have the cops come over oooh, never though of that :unsure: )

I also told him how GD was in the store, what was seen and what was said.

Anyway - he said he was going to go over and check it out and then call me back. I went on to tell him my story about how I'm the fishy police at WMs around here, and he listened to me rant for a good 5 minutes or so (I kept my cool and didn't even cry! heh heh) and then he asked if I would please fill out the letter to the prez of WM when I have an issue like this at my local WM, and call and speak to the manager just like I did tonight. AND he also said that if a letter is written, the store manager is contacted and they have to write a report on how the issue was resolved.

GET those letters going, people - whenever you see fishes in distress at WM get a prez letter. I'll come back when I get the phone call later.
 
ISSUED ON WEDNESDAY 5 MAY 2004


UNACCEPTABLE, IRRESPONSIBLE, UNETHICAL!

A solitary Siamese fighter in a "brick-style" glass containers are now being exhibited in centres in Gauteng by the Square Forest company under the name AQUA FOREST. The NSPCA made it clear from the outset that it opposed the concept and stated to the promoters that: "We confirm our opposition to the product. It is contrary to the NSPCA Statement of Policy."

This was confirmed in the NSPCA media release of October 2003. When the product was originally launched as a corporate gift, the NSPCA received complaints including a fax that stated: - "We strongly object to the sale of the Siamese Fighter fish as corporate gifts and trust that you will contact the relevant company to protest in the strongest possible way to the cruelty these fish are subjected to. We as a company certainly will not be supporting this company."


The NSPCA identifies welfare concerns with the "product" including the lack of stimulation for the fish – plus, the fish cannot be removed when the extremely small "tank" has its water removed for cleaning purposes. Siamese fighters are "community fish" but this system condemns them to a lifetime of solitary confinement in an unacceptable small "tank."


Without getting too technical (susceptibility of Siamese fighters to low temperatures, control of ammonia levels), the bottom line is that the NSPCA opposed and opposes this product. The statement that "they are just fish" is answered by pointing to the wider picture and the "thin end of the wedge" argument. People who perhaps dismiss concerns for Siamese fighters would no doubt feel differently if the species involved were a kitten for example. But the principle and the welfare issues are the same.


ATLAS TROPICAL FISH INDEX states: "Keeping males individually in glass containers must be regarded as cruel."


Inspector Malcolm Woolmore of the NSPCA advised the promoters and marketers of these products in writing: "Due to the several possible contraventions of the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962, there may be serious legal implications regarding this product. We strongly recommend that you consider not launching this product as we will have no alternative but to make our information public."

The NSPCA advises that within certain parameters, the product with its incarcerated living fish is legal but this does not make the product ethical or acceptable. The public has a right to know the facts and to be able to make informed decisions.


Ends

MEDIA STATEMENT


ISSUED ON MONDAY 13 OCTOBER 2003


NEW CORPORATE GIFT MEETS WRATH OF NSPCA


UNACCEPTABLE, IRRESPONSIBLE, UNETHICAL!


A solitary Siamese fighter in a "brick-style" glass containers is being pedaled to companies as novelty "corporate gifts". The NSPCA made it clear from the outset that it opposed the concept and stated to the promoters that: "We confirm our opposition to the product. It is contrary to the NSPCA Statement of Policy."

Complaint has been received at the NSPCA that a company is marketing these products and one fax received at the NSPCA states" We strongly object to the sale of the Siamese Fighter fish as corporate gifts and trust that you will contact the relevant company to protest in the strongest possible way to the cruelty these fish are subjected to. We as a company certainly will not be supporting this company."


The NSPCA noticed immediate welfare concerns with the "product" including the lack of stimulation for the fish – plus, the fish cannot be removed when the extremely small "tank" has its water removed for cleaning purposes. Siamese fighters are "community fish" but this system condems them to a lifetime of solitary confinement in an unacceptable small "tank."


Without getting too technical (susceptibility of Siamese fighters to low temperatures, control of ammonia levels), the bottom line is that the NSPCA opposed and opposes this product. The statement that "they are just fish" is answered by pointing to the wider picture and the "thin end of the wedge" argument. People who perhaps dismiss concerns for Siamese fighters would no doubt feel differently if the species involved were a kitten for example. But the principle and the welfare issues are the same.


ATLAS TROPICAL FISH INDEX states: "Keeping males individually in glass containers must be regarded as cruel."


Inspector Malcolm Woolmore of the NSPCA advised the promoters and marketers of these products in writing: "Due to the several possible contraventions of the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962, there may be serious legal implications regarding this product. We strongly recommend that you consider not launching this product as we will have no alternative but to make our information public."

Reports continue to be received that these products are openly on sale or being promoted as corporate gifts.


Ends



MEDIA STATEMENT
http://www.nspca.co.za/Media-Siamese-Fighters.htm

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Just got a call back from WM.
He said he found a vase that had the male and female in it together, STILL. (it's now 9:20 pm here) uugh
He said he has instructed the folks in that department to separate them.
He also said he's going to leave instruction for that department manager to make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND he said I was welcome to stop by their fish department at any time.
I told him he might be sorry he said that. :flex:

GD - would you possibly have time in the next few days to swing by there and make sure they're separated?
 

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