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[Sorrell]

I believe I will be following Jen after this one. This is so ridiculous there aren't even words. I've put a year into this forum with bettas being my passion and I truly enjoyed it.

Most of you probably don't realize how many good members we have lost in the betta forum because you haven't been around long enough to know the difference. It's now turned into a complete joke with pages of false information.

I'm finished wasting my time. There's a select few left, but I doubt for long. Good luck to all of you, especially when your fish are sick or dying, seriously, good luck with that.

I'll be lurking now and then and hopefully most of you will finally come around, but untill then, I'm out.

 

[Auratus]

You guys are wayyyy to hard on the new people here. Ya, not everyone knows as much about fish as you guys... gather a random group of 50 people... 2 out of 50 would know what a neon tetra was. You guys aren't being realistic here. You expect everyone to just know what to do and you bite their heads off when they don't, or shove information down their throats in a very rude manner. It's sad. Stop complaining about newbies and help them out instead of being rude to them. I'm sure that's what you think you all are doing, but from an outside perspective (someone who doesn't breed), all of you "expert" breeders are coming off as a bunch of know it all jerk offs.

Just my opinion, I know it doesn't count for much around here with all the "experts"...

Negative talk, sorry, this is real life and advice from people who have mastered a magic in spawning and raising bettas. The point is not is she wants to she will. We are just trying to tell others the whole picture that most of the newbies seem to not think of.

This right here is the kind of statement I'm talking about. Really arrogant and rude. Maybe you didn't mean to come off that way but geesh. Everyone has to start somewhere. I'm glad you think of yourself as a "master" who has a "magic art" or something but come on. Don't want to just pick on one comment because there are many in this thread but whatever, this is just dumb.

 

[newfishies]

i definitely don't want to get in the middle of this debate, but since joining this forum, i feel like i have learned a million times more about bettas than i ever thought there was to know...
it is sad to see new members get jumped on and more experienced members get frustrated..i just hope that we can have some sort of happy medium here...
i have no intentions of breeding my guys and gals (even though i did get that impulse the first month or 2 i had them) but i do rely on this site heavily for info about my bettas and love the stories that those with lots of experience can offer.

i guess what i am saying is that i hope that i don't lose this resource, because as much as i know now, i realize there is infinity more to learn!

 

[SMSBrunetteGirl]

Ok about the 200 bettas.That would be ridiculously high for me atleast.

Yes, this we know. This is what we are trying to explain to you.

I only started and all so Id probably end up around 17 or so.

Um sweetheart....

When we mentioned 200+ babies...we meant (as Sorrell explained above) that those can come from 1 female..in 1 spawn...in 1 try.

With that statement alone, it is painfully clear...you need to do alot more research before jumping in the lake....because as of right now..it seems you still have your socks and shoes on.

When starting into an unmapped endevour it is always best to plan for the WORST, hope for the best, and take what you get with a smile on your face.

A smile will be hard to muster when you have baby fish dying everywhere, because you weren't prepared for them.

Ohhh,yea I heard hard-boiled egg yolk works?

They cannot live on that alone...reasd his entire post. He feeds that for the first week ONLY. Then continues with Brine shrimp. Brine shrimp are not the easiest of critters to raise.

Yeah I know,I did read the part where he fed them that for a WEEK

 

[Bettaman]

You guys are wayyyy to hard on the new people here. Ya, not everyone knows as much about fish as you guys... gather a random group of 50 people... 2 out of 50 would know what a neon tetra was. You guys aren't being realistic here. You expect everyone to just know what to do and you bite their heads off when they don't, or shove information down their throats in a very rude manner. It's sad. Stop complaining about newbies and help them out instead of being rude to them. I'm sure that's what you think you all are doing, but from an outside perspective (someone who doesn't breed), all of you "expert" breeders are coming off as a bunch of know it all jerk offs.

Just my opinion, I know it doesn't count for much around here with all the "experts"...

Negative talk, sorry, this is real life and advice from people who have mastered a magic in spawning and raising bettas. The point is not is she wants to she will. We are just trying to tell others the whole picture that most of the newbies seem to not think of.

This right here is the kind of statement I'm talking about. Really arrogant and rude. Maybe you didn't mean to come off that way but geesh. Everyone has to start somewhere. I'm glad you think of yourself as a "master" who has a "magic art" or something but come on. Don't want to just pick on one comment because there are many in this thread but whatever, this is just dumb.

OK so you don't breed fish.....

Just my opinion, I know it doesn't count for much around here with all the "experts"...

but i don't think anyone has called them selves an expert, i certainly didn't and read above i admit that, i have been breeding fish for 35 years not an ex spert as an ex is a has been and a spert is a drip under pressure ........and you welcome to give an opinion without being rude I'm sure, i cant believe that yes their is a lot of people that have posted in this and the other thread, that have got hot under the collar, with this subject, i started off breading fish in the 70`s and their were only just VT so thats what i had to breed then, i got rid of them because they were popular, and here in the UK is all you find mainly in the shops as it not really taken off here as it has in usa..so here it is not so much of a problem but myself and a few others are trying to get quality into the UK, through breeding, i think the point i was trying to make was it is a very time consuming hobby no matter what fish you keep, and with the breeding side it takes up more time, i have spent over $4000 setting up to breed bettas, and i don't have any VT not even as a pet fish, it not because i don't like them i just feel their are enough in the shops and as most sell at $9.00 a piece then they do sell, mine go at $15-20.00, hms, crowns, and they sell i was in a lfs the other day and a month ago the VT were $7.00 a go, and a woman was asking why they had gone up in price and she was told because of the tsunami disaster had made them more expensive (WHAT A LOAD OF .....) i have a exporter in Thailand and his prices have not gone up so I'm not sure why she was told this well i do its more profit, they buy VT at $1.oo each i buy at $14-19.00 each because they are quality fish i breed my fish and when ready will go for $11.00 each so i could say is it worth the time and effort i put into breeding , yes because its my hobby, i also have a full time job as a manager in a retail shop 55 hours a week so i don't have a lot of time, but when i advise people that breeding is not something to be taken lightly then that is just advice not a statement not to do or to do something its a free mind everyone has and they will take advice as they want as well as criticism,i enjoy this forum and the advice and knowledge people have to offer,its a wealth of information that is only a click away, and will be sad if some of that wealth decides to go away,people see things different in different ways, and people do thing that others don't advise, i will say what works for one wont work for another because there are to many different factors, but as a general rule most thing are the same and have been tried and tested why reinvent the wheel or try to use advise to you advantage lets face it why make the mistakes someone else has made start at the point were its right, sorry a bit long but take it as you wish, as i don't really care i will help anyone as i hope some of the UK residents on here can vouch for like free microworms well just the cost of postage why to help? and i think that is all this post is about trying to HELP someone from making a MISTAKE at the end of the day the fish don't make mistakes they will breed if put together BUT PEOPLE DO............

EDIT

 

[xXMrBonesXx]

i'd have to agree with the people who are against breeding VT's as a starter being as i work in a pet store and see how many die just from sitting there because theres other things to do at the place of business other then care for the bettas in the cups like they should be cared for....

but on the other hand if you have a good home for every single one of them when they grow up then i say go for it

 

[Alpha_Male]

 

[Auratus]

but i don't think anyone has called them selves an expert, i certainly didn't and read above i admit that

Hope you're nice to SRC and wuvmybetta as they seem to be the only knowledgeable ones left.

Why are there only a tiny handful of people here that are recognized for their skills, and 90% of them happen to be mods?

Most people don't call themselves experts, other people call them experts. Like The-Wolf being the danio expert... it's really annoying

OK so you don't breed fish.....

I don't get what this means. Are you saying I have no room to comment on this subject because I don't breed my bettas, or because you just didn't read anything I wrote/didn't understand? The comment wasn't related to anything I said but was written after my quote.

 

[Alpha_Male]

 

[GuppyDude]

bettaman, only if i could have a betta setup like urs, id be able to really accomplish somthing

 

[Auratus]

I'm not just talking about in the betta section of the forum.... ughhh

Edit: Good job editing your post...

 

[my_fallen_angel]

From what I am seeing this forum has now lost cation, sorrel, and juliethegr8t to issues like this and many others sharksfan, F250fisherman, limited itty and bkkgroup for other reasons. Hope you're nice to SRC and wuvmybetta as they seem to be the only knowledgeable ones left.

which is a real shame

 

[littlefishie]

From what I am seeing this forum has now lost cation, sorrel, and juliethegr8t to issues like this and many others sharksfan, F250fisherman, limited itty and bkkgroup for other reasons. Hope you're nice to SRC and wuvmybetta as they seem to be the only knowledgeable ones left.

which is a real shame

I agree.. where are the most knowledgable people going to be when they're needed?

Oh, that's right.. not here because people just won't listen to them anymore.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

Personally I think the only reason a person should consider breeding VTs would be to bring them back up to standard instead of being the way they are now. You look at them and they all have mouths that don't shut and they're just overly messed up. But it would be a massive undertaking by more than just a few people to bring them back into decent shape, which is certainly not for the willy nilly breed them for fun sort of person, because they're would be some real need for people with sharps eyes for healthy conformation and ruthless with their culling. Plus, you'd probably end up having to bring in other tail types just to add some spunk in their genes. I would love to work on this, but I have neither the time or the resources at the moment to undertake such a thing, which is a bummer. But, like I said, that's just my opinion.

 

[wuvmybetta]

*sigh*
Well,well,well,well....well I'm not quite sure where to start. Firstly,rest assured that I love TFF and no matter how much drama,I'm here to stay

Now, hmm, I'm sort of on the fence here because it would be very hypocritical of me to preach about breeding veils because I did it myself when I first started
I had my sweet,sweet plakats that I paid an arm and a leg for but I just had to see what it was like before tossing fish that I paid a hundred bucks for into a tank not knowing what to expect. I know, I'm absolutely horrid. In my case the dad ate all of the babes but I had an idea of what to expect of the spawning and hatching process.
But, had the babies survived and thrived I gotta admit that I would have been a bit disappointed to be raising veil fry. Whatever to do with them when I'm done?

So anyway, there's nothing that I can really say that hasn't been said already in this thread. But I'll add that raising betta fry is very hard work and requires diligence and...cash,lots of it when they start eating frozen food.
SRC's estimates of cost were pretty accurate. I spend (easily) 300.00 a month on the bettas,not to mention around 28 hours of work a week. Water changes are a joy

So, I see it like this..baby fish are great! I love them, but the thing with bettas is the jarring process and the picky appetite. I know people say they eat flakes but I personally can't even imagine such a thing. Mine would never touch them and I have indeed tried to start them on still food at an early age and they just want nothing to do with it. It's not happening. Point being, why not start with a simpler fish like guppies or mollies? Something that isn't so time consuming,expensive and doesn't require so much space.

*sigh*
Now as for people getting aggravated with newbs and newbs totally ignoring what the others have to say. Hmmm. What can I say? That's all part of a community and we can't demand that people respect our authori-tah But,it's nice to be listened to once in a while, I suppose anyway,I wouldn't know