Unpopular Opinions (fish related)

[Rocky998]

The point I'm making is that when I think about it, 8 3-4 inch fish in a 10g is just too much. Seems and feels like torture...

When I say that I'm not saying that you don't know how to care for fish. There are things I do that I feel bad about. Like keeping my fish in a higher PH than I should... But that us kinda out of my control at the moment.
I feel like if you were breeding betta fish the minimum tank size should be 10g for a pair. As an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. Now I've never bred them and don't plan on it but I just could not see putting 8 in a 10g unless they were growing fry.
You also said that the minimum tank size for one betta is 2.5g and the reason why they say you can do that is the oxygen. Since bettas can breathe through their labyrinth organ, along with other fish like gouramis (Osphronemidae), they don't need large spaces FOR OXYGEN. But I also feel that is not the only thing to take into consideration. What about exploration spaces and room to really move around in?
I would say for one betta 5g is absolutely the lowest gallon size to go. Any less and when I see them in there it makes me feel sad, even them in a 5g makes me feel sad.
I had one betta before in a 3.5g... Now I didn't set the tank up right at all but when I looked at his size compared to the tank itself. I felt bad for setting it up.

 

[NearMeBettas]

When I say that I'm not saying that you don't know how to care for fish. There are things I do that I feel bad about. Like keeping my fish in a higher PH than I should... But that us kinda out of my control at the moment.
I feel like if you were breeding betta fish the minimum tank size should be 10g for a pair. As an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. Now I've never bred them and don't plan on it but I just could not see putting 8 in a 10g unless they were growing fry.
You also said that the minimum tank size for one betta is 2.5g and the reason why they say you can do that is the oxygen. Since bettas can breathe through their labyrinth organ, along with other fish like gouramis (Osphronemidae), they don't need large spaces FOR OXYGEN. But I also feel that is not the only thing to take into consideration. What about exploration spaces and room to really move around in?
I would say for one betta 5g is absolutely the lowest gallon size to go. Any less and when I see them in there it makes me feel sad, even them in a 5g makes me feel sad.
I had one betta before in a 3.5g... Now I didn't set the tank up right at all but when I looked at his size compared to the tank itself. I felt bad for setting it up.

BTW, I'm not trying to argue with you lol. I highly respect your opinion and will take some stuff into consideration.

It's really hard to have big tanks when breeding. A breeder can have hundreds, if not thousands of fry at once if breeding multiple pairs. I don't like to cull and don't unless there is a fiscal deformity. Male and female bettas cant be in pairs, at least non wilds. Only for a very short breeding period or they will kill. They would be ideally bred in a 10-gallon about 1-fourth full of water and then water raised as they grow. I will be greatly expanding my setup later on as I have very minimal room in my small bedroom lol, but for now, this is what works. My fry are raised in 2' by 3' bins with live plants. (That I have under my bed...)Males live in there as well. Im sure they are out there, but I don't know any betta breeders that house their fish in anything more than a 2.5 or so besides sororities.

Behind the scenes, breeders cull hundreds of fish and house bettas in pint and quart jars. That I think is wrong.

 

[Rocky998]

BTW, I'm not trying to argue with you lol. I highly respect your opinion and will take some stuff into consideration.

It's really hard to have big tanks when breeding. A breeder can have hundreds, if not thousands of fry at once if breeding multiple pairs. I don't like to cull and don't unless there is a fiscal deformity. Male and female bettas cant be in pairs, at least non wilds. Only for a very short breeding period or they will kill. They would be ideally bred in a 10-gallon about 1-fourth full of water and then water raised as they grow. I will be greatly expanding my setup later on as I have very minimal room in my small bedroom lol, but for now, this is what works. My fry are raised in 2' by 3' bins with live plants. (That I have under my bed...)Males live in there as well. Im sure they are out there, but I don't know any betta breeders that house their fish in anything more than a 2.5 or so besides sororities.

Behind the scenes, breeders cull hundreds of fish and house bettas in pint and quart jars. That I think is wrong.

I know your not! Don't worry! I hope you do t think I'm trying to argue
Maybe I have been stating my opinions a bit too strongly

I guess that works for you and there are people who have been in the aquarium business for a looooong time and know way more than me but I still see it as a form of cruelty. And I'm not trying to say that you are being cruel, that's not at all where I'm going!
Just I would hate to see any fish all crowded in one tank that is fairly small


I don't get the point though of only filling fry tanks 1/4 full... Why do people do that? Maybe you can explain. I'm genuinely curious

 

[NearMeBettas]

I know your not! Don't worry! I hope you do t think I'm trying to argue
Maybe I have been stating my opinions a bit too strongly

I guess that works for you and there are people who have been in the aquarium business for a looooong time and know way more than me but I still see it as a form of cruelty. And I'm not trying to say that you are being cruel, that's not at all where I'm going!
Just I would hate to see any fish all crowded in one tank that is fairly small

I don't get the point though of only filling fry tanks 1/4 full... Why do people do that? Maybe you can explain. I'm genuinely curious

They prefer to breed and shallow water and the males can pick up the eggs easier before the egg-eating lady gets to them once she comes out of her "trance" lol. (Although I have shockingly had a few gals that helped put them in the nest.) The male can also rescue the non-free swimming fry that have fallen from the nest faster. It's also easier to maintain and feed for the first week or so.

 

[Rocky998]

They prefer to breed and shallow water and the males can pick up the eggs easier before the egg-eating lady gets to them once she comes out of her "trance" lol. (Although I have shockingly had a few gals that helped put them in the nest.)

Oh wow! That's really interesting! Is it only for bettas or multiple species?

 

[NearMeBettas]

Oh wow! That's really interesting! Is it only for bettas or multiple species?

I'm assuming any bubble nest builder but I have not bred gouramies or paradise fish so IKD.

 

[Rocky998]

I'm assuming any bubble nest builder but I have not bred gouramies or paradise fish so IKD.

Ah ok. Thank you for sharing that!

IKD

You just made me think of something really funny (to me at least) when you made that typo with IDK.

IDK= I don't know
Well Yoda says stuff weird so the wah he would say it is: "Know I Dont". That sounds like "no I dont" but also when you shorten that version it is KID lol.
Yup my brain goes off in strange directions at times and that's just the way it is ....

 

[NearMeBettas]

Ah ok. Thank you for sharing that!



You just made me think of something really funny (to me at least) when you made that typo with IDK.

IDK= I don't know
Well Yoda says stuff weird so the wah he would say it is: "Know I Dont". That sounds like "no I dont" but also when you shorten that version it is KID lol.
Yup my brain goes off in strange directions at times and that's just the way it is ....

That's totally great. I must start using as to confuse the TFF members.

Comment from @NearMeBettas :

KID

 

[FishandBirdLover]

Duckweed is awesome, I can't get enough of it. Some fish and inverts love to eat it, it grows and multiplies fast, and it offers coverage.

Thats the problem. It multiplies.

 

[FishandBirdLover]

Good point, added above!

Agreed!

 

[PheonixKingZ]

But really, science proves a LOT. Real science-based opon facts, observing, and research- not a guessing game.

There is no such thing as scientific proof, just scientific evidence.

 

[GaryE]

There is no such thing as scientific proof, just scientific evidence.

So gravity, evolution, electricity etc aren't proven in your world? We do base a lot of working medicine and technology on the "evidence". New evidence comes in and some of it becomes part of the proven. That's a threat to the mystics and the ancient lore, but while humans keep working on understanding our world, and always will, we do have some baseline facts. Probably not as many as we like to think we do, but...

Betta tanks? I don't think fancy Bettas need to move around so much, if they have been bred to be handicapped by mega-fins. I find it too much work to maintain water quality in a 2.5, and I refuse to keep any large finned bettas out of principle, but when I had them before the explosion in fin size over the past 15 years or so, I used 4 and 5 gallon tanks. When you compare the body angle they swim at with how a wild splendens swims, it's like watching a bride swimming in a wedding dress.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

So gravity, evolution, electricity etc aren't proven in your world?

Technically no. All of that is just evidence to support a theory. Science itself can’t prove anything.

This article explains it well.

Scientific Proof Is A Myth

We can demonstrate, suggest, and convince ourselves that a scientific truth is valid. But proof? That's an impossibility for science.

www.forbes.com

 

[Rocky998]

How did you even keep an aquarium... That is literally science right there when doing it properly lol

 

[wolfhund]

Regarding bettas-ok here is my unpopular opinion, i bred 8 spawns this summer, both parents taken out after breeding, eggs hatched artifically.
the breeding tank was half a gallon, so chasing around was minimum and breeding happened very fast, after eggs were hatched and free swimming, i keep them in 2 gallons container, shallow water about 2 inches untill they turn 1 months old, such a small container babies can find food very easy, every few days i do 100 % water change with no issues to fry no matter how young they were, i do have live plants with them all the time, at 1 month i move them to 5 gallon grow out tank, with water changes every day and tons of food, everyone is growing to adult size just fine, in my personal experience bettas dont need huge tanks to grow out fries or for breeding, at age of 2 month i jar them in 8 oz little containers, change water everyday and feed tons till they go home, everyone made it to adult age, i also dont cull. every breeder finds what works for them and this worked out for me just fine i live in florida, so was no need for heater and idont use filters, everytime i change water i add seachem prime and thats all, it is possible to own bettas and breed them and raise fry , without hundreds of gallons in fish tanks or too much space.