Ultimate Hybrid Experiment (uhe)

[swordtailsrock]

ok i am going to attempt to hybridise several of these fish species.

now before anyone gets all crazy and yells at me i am convinced by one peice of interfamilial breeding evidence

this is a peacock chicken hybrid, yep 100%.click here to see the whole site.

lets compare the chances of these hybrids occurinig.

peafowlXchicken

chickens dont look like peafowl
chickens dont breed the same
chickens arent the same size as peafowl
chickens have different mating rituals
chickens wont readily breed with peafowl Hybrid?:confirmed

livebearer hybrids

look similar
similar size
breed the same
same mating ritual
readily breed if kept together hybrid?: unconfirmed (if thats a word)

that seems like it would be fairly easy to breed these fish together.
im convinced that i can get them to breed and raise the fry to adulthood
because im pretty sure when most people say its 100% impossible
they are leaving out several different variables. that can lead to successful fertilization and conception.

the hybrids may have some fertility issues but that also has many different variables.

take a mule, sterile right?
wrong, i read somewhere that there ahve been several reports of mules giving birth and raising them to adulthood.

SO THERE!

 

[Mikaila31]

Well I haven't taken a genetics class yet , so I just answered it to the best of my knowledge which is that species with the first latin name being the same can hybridize, ones with different names cannot. Being that the latin naming system is a human system, it is not perfect, so not always correct. IMO platy/sword has been proven very often. Molly/guppy should also be a viable cross.

platy -Xiphphorus variatus
swordtail- Xiphophorus helleri
molly-Poecilia gilli
guppy-Poecilia reticulata

You also need to take into account of all the different variables as well. A mule is the cross of a female horse and a male donkey, a hinny is the cross of a female donkey and a male horse. A hinny is a much more difficult cross, compared to a mule. Also weather the offspring are sterile or not all depends on genetics........

Also you are convinced by long shots. NOT saying its not possible, but a quote from your article "23 hybrids were obtained from 302 embryos which resulted from 2132 eggs" that is a success rate of 1%. I looked up the mules and theirs was even worse, though it has been proven possible.

 

[LauraFrog]

Same mating ritual yes - same gonopodium no. The fish won't actually mate with fish that aren't the same species, they don't recognise them as mates, and even if they tried fertilisation would not be possible because of the different size and shape of the gonopodium.

Results have been achieved using artificial insemination to hybridise species that are not supposed to be crossable (namely guppy/gambusia). The fry did not survive to adulthood. Do you know how to do this or do you need an explanation?

 

[swordtailsrock]

yes but you are leaving out possible mutations of a livebearers gondopodium, there is always a chance that it will happen.

many people who tell me hybrids obtained from platy/guppies are impossible, leave out many different possibilities for fertilization to occur.
if a peafowl can cross with a chicken and then have that grow up to full size, i am convinced that it might be a very low chance but it is possible. also, livebearers have way more eggs inside of them than chickens lay, so there is a higher chance of fertilization occuring.

I've also heard that guppies will try to mate with ornaments, plants, and completely unrelated fish species.

surely it would breed with a swordtail.

 

[TheSims3Dude]

I've seen my guppy try to mate with the other livebearers (the molly)
they never ended up having babies though, I didn't think they would anyways

 

[Truck]

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

 

[TheSims3Dude]

What about a guppy/molly? or a swordtail/platy?
That would be kinda cool!
I always wondered that lol

 

[swordtailsrock]

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

 

[Truck]

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

do you have proof it is possible? i rest my case, how come it has never happened, and the fact that it has never happened is because theyre from a different genus

 

[swordtailsrock]

Well I haven't taken a genetics class yet , so I just answered it to the best of my knowledge which is that species with the first latin name being the same can hybridize, ones with different names cannot. Being that the latin naming system is a human system, it is not perfect, so not always correct. IMO platy/sword has been proven very often. Molly/guppy should also be a viable cross.

platy -Xiphphorus variatus
swordtail- Xiphophorus helleri
molly-Poecilia gilli
guppy-Poecilia reticulata

You also need to take into account of all the different variables as well. A mule is the cross of a female horse and a male donkey, a hinny is the cross of a female donkey and a male horse. A hinny is a much more difficult cross, compared to a mule. Also weather the offspring are sterile or not all depends on genetics........

Also you are convinced by long shots. NOT saying its not possible, but a quote from your article "23 hybrids were obtained from 302 embryos which resulted from 2132 eggs" that is a success rate of 1%. I looked up the mules and theirs was even worse, though it has been proven possible.

I found an error in your statement , on the last paragraph, where you quoted "23 hybrids were obtained from 302 embryos which resulted from 2132 eggs" that was the rate for the TURKEYXchicken hybrids not peafowl chicken hybrids so you are wrong.

 

[Truck]

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

do you have proof it is possible? i rest my case, how come it has never happened, and the fact that it has never happened is because theyre from a different genus

platies and swordtails are from the Xiphphorus genus
guppies and mollies are from the Poecilia genus there for hybrids are not possible when when a Poecilia is bred with a Xiphphorus species

 

[swordtailsrock]

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

do you have proof it is possible? i rest my case, how come it has never happened, and the fact that it has never happened is because theyre from a different genus

yes but then how come peafowl and chicken hybrids occur but they are in a different genus?
both are in the pheasant family.

 

[Truck]

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

do you have proof it is possible? i rest my case, how come it has never happened, and the fact that it has never happened is because theyre from a different genus

yes but then how come peafowl and chicken hybrids occur but they are in a different genus?
both are in the pheasant family.

theyre birds!!! different genetic rules apply in different groups of animals
its all down to the dexyribose nucleic acid (DNA) and genetic codes, and also chromosomes carried by the species.

 

[swordtailsrock]

also there have been reports of pluppies or swordtail mollies, just not confirmed ones.
being that there even are reports show that it is not totally confirmed that it is impossible

swordtail/platy is already been proven and guppy/molly has been proven but fry never grew to adulthood.

it is physically impossible for a platy/guppy cross or a molly/swordtail cross. it is not possible.

proof?

if you can't provide any than your wrong and it can happen.

do you have proof it is possible? i rest my case, how come it has never happened, and the fact that it has never happened is because theyre from a different genus

yes but then how come peafowl and chicken hybrids occur but they are in a different genus?
both are in the pheasant family.

theyre birds!!! different genetic rules apply in different groups of animals
its all down to the dexyribose nucleic acid (DNA) and genetic codes, and also chromosomes carried by the species.

so if they are different animals and different rules apply, why do scientists use the same method of species classification for every animal?

 

[swordtailsrock]

can somebody please shed some light on this argument? PLEASE?