Too Slow!

[Tokis-Phoenix]

im sorry, i was being immature.

but i didnt see him torturing the guppies, and it was only a few, and after the lat one is gone, its going to be a month before any others.

I doubt he is "torturing the guppies", but its not about that, its about how much stress the fish go through before they are eaten- i'll put it this way: if you were going to be fed to a lion, you'd much rather prefer that the lion finished you off very quickly soon after you were put in its room, rather than wait all day long while the lion goes through a room full of people, with you not knowing whether you're going to be eaten in 5minutes time or in 5hours time, during this time you are being teased and chased around all day by a hungry lion.
Wall-e is the lion, you are the guppy- ok its not a great example, but you get the point, which is basically just to be more considerate towards the guppys by not putting them through unesarsary stress if they're going to be used as feeder fish etc etc .

You can feed as many guppys as you like to your turtle within the healthy advised amounts for his age, but just remember next time not to put so many in at once- maybe try feeding just one guppy a day over something like a week period of time or something like that, instead of putting 3-4 guppys all in at once (he might also probably prefer having the same amount guppy treats given to him over longer period of time rather than all at once). I'm no expert on RES though, although i'm sure this would probably be better .


If you are going to fed him guppys over a period of time spanning the rest of his life, it will probably be cheaper to set up 2 or so tanks (or some cheap large tubs which hold around 5-10gallons or more) for raising and breeding guppys in, in the long term it will probably work out cheaper than buying new guppys from your lfs everytime you feed the turtle, and guppys you raise yourself will probably get a better diet and so they themselves will be more nutritional for the turtle itself.
A female guppy can give birth to over 30 fry, and their pregnancys only take about a month on average to complete. These fry will take about 2-3 months for them to mature into adult guppys- so over 3-4 month period of time, if you go about breeding them properly you could end up with around 90-100 or more guppys .

Even easier to breed, are convict cichlids- a breeding pair of these cichlids can lay up to 300-400 eggs, which hatch in less than a week. Convict cichlids are very popular/common feeder fish due to this, and breed on an even larger scale than guppys and are probably even easier to breed then guppys. All you need is a male and female and put them in a cycled tank of around 20-30gallons long and you will have a pretty much never ending supply of cichlid fry available for whenever you want to feed some fish to your turtle .

 

[jourdy288]

i reply because i find this amusing. and do you have a turtle? if you do, how do you know if its happy? and if you dont, then why would you ask that.do lungfish eat kittens? is it in their diet? then sure you do that.wall-e is a turtle, he is doing what comes naturally, attack the moving fishie

Though a red eared slider is a North American turtle, guppies aren't in their diet. They eat other small fish. However, if the guppies are fed properly, your turtle should be fine. Also, guppies probably face similar threats in Venezuela. Besides, Wall-e is more Jaws-ish. My turtle ate feeder fish earthworms, and only died in a drowning accident. Unpleasant.Also, about the no bones in the fish thing, turtles eat the bones. Good for calcium.

 

[xxBarneyxx]

Even easier to breed, are convict cichlids- a breeding pair of these cichlids can lay up to 300-400 eggs, which hatch in less than a week. Convict cichlids are very popular/common feeder fish due to this, and breed on an even larger scale than guppys and are probably even easier to breed then guppys. All you need is a male and female and put them in a cycled tank of around 20-30gallons long and you will have a pretty much never ending supply of cichlid fry available for whenever you want to feed some fish to your turtle .

I dont know why but the idea of breeding convict Cichlids as feeder fish doesnt sit well with me, even stranger because I have no problems with using guppies as feeder fish. Its stupid how people think

 

[three-fingers]

You know red-eared sliders eat mainly greenery? Chuck in some bunches cheap elodea from your lfs instead of feeder fish and your turtle will be healthier.
It's true that since he's growing, 'Wall-e' needs more protein than he will later in life, but still try to make over 60% of his diet greenery, and as he grows feed more greens.

 

[roseK]

yes he gets lots of green, terrorizes the plants in his tank.. poor things. but he gets more than enough lettuce which he loves

 

[jourdy288]

When the big tank is ready, you could prepare a guppy breeding community...da na...da na, da na da na DA NA DA NA DANADANADANADANA DANADANADANADANA.............Chomp! Anyhow, make it heavily planted, add plenty of gupies, and let them breed, but not too much, or he'll overeat. make sure of plenty of plants, calcium, and UVlight. da na.

 

[murphyk32]

I gotta say, though near the end people seemed to settle down, the first 2 pages of this was hularious, PERSONAL OPPINION people... and childish? well maybe a little but shes a teenager and so am i and i kno y she was bein childish, CUZ WERE TEENAGERS!! its like part of being a teenager, getting the last of our inner child out so when were older we can sit here and yell at people on a random fish forum for being childish, and ENJOYING their early years! like common this forum drives me nuts sometimes, sometimes i enjoy it, but sometimes it pisses me off beond belief. Sorry that this is a usless boring off topic annoying rant but its something im known for in life and prolly on here too... and im a believer in PERSONAL OPPINION... if my manager wants to make me run around the store so i can come back and get my head bitten off a few hours later by him, well she can add guppys to a tank and let them have a fewq hours - a day of stress.

Tokis, I have NOTHING against your personal oppinion but heres mine, dont u think this is unnecesary stress???:::::::::::

If we can through lobsters into a trap, on a boat, through a plant, cause them LOTS of stress by restricting their claw movement with elastics, box them, price them, ship them to a company, ship them to a store, throw them in a tank, not feed them in the tank or during this process atall, have one get weak, and start to be eatin by the others only to be cooked or thrown out if it dies (making this process a complete waste), have a customer pick them out, weigh and price them at some rediculous price, put them on a metal tray, give them 2 min of freedom by cutting their bands off so the rubber taste dont cook into them, put salt on them, chuck them into an industrial steamer, and bag their carcass, put it on a plate, rip it apart like canabals, eat it, then the guppies can be chased around for a day too like man common be happy they only deal with a day max of stress,... O and im pretty sure lobster isnt in our diet but we make it in there on the occasion or 2. I guess this is just part of life.



Feeder fish bein a senitive topic and guppies and her not liking them isnt responsible? WTF!!?? and using any fish is better? inteligent or not its still alive i mean common now we dont abuse (or i hope not) mentally disabled persons (excuse me for not knowing what exact words to use, may be globally challanged i believe acctually) then what makes us abusing certain fish we use for feeding just because theyre not as nice looking or intelligent any better? (NO OFFENCE TO ANYBODY MEANT WITH THAT COMMENT SO DONT TRY TO SAY A WORD ABOUT IT!!)

AND this is not directed at any person in particular, not even tokis, i was just sayin my oppinion. This ius a general open rant i had to have to relieve myself and anger from a long day. Nobody has to say sry or explain themselves, its all basically personal oppinion in my mind and im stating mine. I am not trying to push it on anybody and am not normally this abrupt about it but its been a long day so my appologies to anybody offended, hurt, disappointed, mad, about this.

WELL THATS MY TEENAGE RANT! had to let the anger out somewheres and thought this was good as any place to do it.

I have a lot more but am way to tired and im sure everybodys got enough to say about what i already wrote, so w.e.

Murph

P.S.
people read before you type. A few people in here mention about them eating greens and stuff, well iunno how many times she has to litterally spell out lettuce!

WOW what a 200th post that was! yay 4 little orange fishy guys

 

[roseK]

nice 200th post


but i dont eat lobster.. it will kill me

 

[murphyk32]

nice 200th post


but i dont eat lobster.. it will kill me

Lol well it was the point of it anyways,

Murph

 

[znk]

I gotta say, though near the end people seemed to settle down, the first 2 pages of this was hularious, PERSONAL OPPINION people... and childish? well maybe a little but shes a teenager and so am i and i kno y she was bein childish, CUZ WERE TEENAGERS!! its like part of being a teenager, getting the last of our inner child out so when were older we can sit here and yell at people on a random fish forum for being childish, and ENJOYING their early years! like common this forum drives me nuts sometimes, sometimes i enjoy it, but sometimes it pisses me off beond belief. Sorry that this is a usless boring off topic annoying rant but its something im known for in life and prolly on here too... and im a believer in PERSONAL OPPINION... if my manager wants to make me run around the store so i can come back and get my head bitten off a few hours later by him, well she can add guppys to a tank and let them have a fewq hours - a day of stress.

Tokis, I have NOTHING against your personal oppinion but heres mine, dont u think this is unnecesary stress???:::::::::::

If we can through lobsters into a trap, on a boat, through a plant, cause them LOTS of stress by restricting their claw movement with elastics, box them, price them, ship them to a company, ship them to a store, throw them in a tank, not feed them in the tank or during this process atall, have one get weak, and start to be eatin by the others only to be cooked or thrown out if it dies (making this process a complete waste), have a customer pick them out, weigh and price them at some rediculous price, put them on a metal tray, give them 2 min of freedom by cutting their bands off so the rubber taste dont cook into them, put salt on them, chuck them into an industrial steamer, and bag their carcass, put it on a plate, rip it apart like canabals, eat it, then the guppies can be chased around for a day too like man common be happy they only deal with a day max of stress,... O and im pretty sure lobster isnt in our diet but we make it in there on the occasion or 2. I guess this is just part of life.



Feeder fish bein a senitive topic and guppies and her not liking them isnt responsible? WTF!!?? and using any fish is better? inteligent or not its still alive i mean common now we dont abuse (or i hope not) mentally disabled persons (excuse me for not knowing what exact words to use, may be globally challanged i believe acctually) then what makes us abusing certain fish we use for feeding just because theyre not as nice looking or intelligent any better? (NO OFFENCE TO ANYBODY MEANT WITH THAT COMMENT SO DONT TRY TO SAY A WORD ABOUT IT!!)

AND this is not directed at any person in particular, not even tokis, i was just sayin my oppinion. This ius a general open rant i had to have to relieve myself and anger from a long day. Nobody has to say sry or explain themselves, its all basically personal oppinion in my mind and im stating mine. I am not trying to push it on anybody and am not normally this abrupt about it but its been a long day so my appologies to anybody offended, hurt, disappointed, mad, about this.

WELL THATS MY TEENAGE RANT! had to let the anger out somewheres and thought this was good as any place to do it.

I have a lot more but am way to tired and im sure everybodys got enough to say about what i already wrote, so w.e.

Murph

P.S.
people read before you type. A few people in here mention about them eating greens and stuff, well iunno how many times she has to litterally spell out lettuce!

WOW what a 200th post that was! yay 4 little orange fishy guys

"Personal opinion" is a sorry excuse.

"Well it's my personal opinion that its cool to feed feeder cats to my dog. And I put 5 of them fenced in the back yard." What kind of argument is that? Personal opinion has nothing to do with the morality of the thing.

To me it has more to do with the responsibility we each take when we get pets. It usually means we are an animal lover. And I think that should include doing things as humanly as possible and also by researching things a bit. Not just go...hey Turtles might like live fish. Let me throw in some fish and see what happens. Get info, get the best recommended ones and do it as recommended. It shouldnt be for your own personal pleasure or whatever. Just use common sense. There is nothing wrong with feeding feeder fish...it's just not a game.

 

[roseK]

i did do my research and i know its not a game.

 

[murphyk32]

yea but people are mad shes using guppies, but its no better then using any other fish except some people like guppies,, there talkin about its unmoral but i dont see how using a different fish is any more moral, just that some people like/keep guppies... well some dont... some people keep crayfish, some eat them... no difference except the turtles doin the eating,... This is rediculous and ur argument didnt proove anthing... now im stuck repeating myself cuz u didnt read what i wrote... o how fun.

Murph

 

[murphyk32]

BUT i think i might be done with fishforums... thinkin maybe its been enough... goodluck to all... and all ur fishies. May u all have beautiful tanks and ur fish live long healthy lives.

Goodbye all...

Kenny Murphy

 

[znk]

yea but people are mad shes using guppies, but its no better then using any other fish except some people like guppies,, there talkin about its unmoral but i dont see how using a different fish is any more moral, just that some people like/keep guppies... well some dont... some people keep crayfish, some eat them... no difference except the turtles doin the eating,... This is rediculous and ur argument didnt proove anthing... now im stuck repeating myself cuz u didnt read what i wrote... o how fun.

Murph

I think most of the concerns came from the fact that she threw 4 fish in there having them caged with a predator for days. Not about the fact that they were guppies...this was a secondary reaction.

 

[roseK]

do you feel sorry for crickets that are fed to lizards? those poor crickets! everyone that has these animals feed them live [prey, and not one at a time.. i dont see why everyone is making a big deal of something so stupid.