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Tiger Barbs Dying

I did switch some plants around in my sand substrate, but that was some time ago. I did again today, but their behavior started before I moved any. No other changes.
 
Hi sorry I know you mentioned you have not touched your filter or media, could there be something in your filter that is causing the problem ? maybe somthing decaying in there ? hope you get problem sorted soon
cathy
 
This Old Spouse said:
Well, of course. Now the filter on the Q tank just quit. Thankfully I found another one in storage, but it's a Whisper 20 so a little too much, but at least it's something.
 
Wow, you really are having some hard luck!
 
The only other thing I can think of is have you changed your dechlorinator? It might not have worked properly and chlorine could have killed off some of your bacteria.
 
Nope, still using Prime. The only thing I can think of is that I stirred something up when I moved some plants around.
 
Found a tiger lying at the bottom this morning so put him in the Q tank too. All alive but don't seem to be much better so may have to go the euthanization route. Sigh. 
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Well, the good news is that the ammonia reading in the main tank is 0. I had to euthanize the one I found lying on the bottom. It didn't look like there was any chance for him. The other 3 in the Q tank are still struggling but hanging on. Just did a 90% W/C in there. Guess it's just wait, wait, wait.
 
Glad to see it's now under control, let's hope it stays like that! :)
 
Sad to hear about the latest loss
 
Thanks Josh. 
 
A question: I added some salt to the Q tank yesterday. I did a 90% water change this morning, so should I add more salt? I never know what to believe looking at the package instructions.
 
Hmm, I would but just a little less than you usually would :)
 
Well, I just decided after finding ammonia in the Q tank that I would put them back in the main tank. So far 2 of them are looking better, but I still have one upside down at the top of the tank. I'll give him a few more hours and if there doesn't seem to be enough improvement I'll probably put him down. This is just heart wrenching.
 
Unexplained ammonia spikes are our bane in fishkeeping. Last one I got turned out to be due to a large slug trying to munch on the algae in the tank and falling in.
 
There's a hell of a lot of ammonia in a slug.
 
Other common causes have been mentioned above;
 
sudden die offs of anything, from plant to fish
an established substrate (particularly a planted one) being disturbed and throwing up a lot of organic matter.
tap water, both for ammonia loads and other random toxins that hit the filter (the water boards have an annoying tendency to put chemicals down the pipes every so often to flush them, all human safe of course, but not tank safe).
chemicals from your house or hands, air freshener, plug in things and sun lotion are the popular ones (I lost a betta recently to a well meaning sole going crazy with their furniture polish in the living room, their own that they brought with them, we don't do aerosols).
lack of dechlorinator can also be an issue, but generally only a big problem with large changes or high levels (which is why some people get away with it.....for a while).
otherwise sudden shifts in parameters can mess with things, temperature, hardness, pH etc.
 
I know a lot of these don't necessarily apply here, but it's a good start list.
 
As for dealing with it, 1, remove the source, 2, fresh water, 3, more fresh water, 4, even more fresh water, 5, wait.
 
I've been going through all these like a tick list trying to figure out what caused it. I'm about ready to tear the whole tank down and start all over. There's nothing but fresh water in there now, ammonia and nitrate 0 so now it's just a waiting game to see if the other 3 survive.
 
I just decided to run my Whisper 20 HOB filter in their tank, just in case. At least I'll have a mature filter running in case I ever have to set up a Q tank quickly.
 
If you moved some plants that had extensive root systems, pockets of ammonia and aeromonous bacteria could have been dragged out with the roots. I did this once and my Corydoras went down hill afterwards, and because they liked to hide among the leaves, I was not able to spot that they had both developed pop-eye (bacterial infection).
 
I'm not totally sure that the above can cause an ammonia level of 1.2. Something major, such as a decomposing fish or forgetting to dechlorinate, is something that I think would cause a reading of 1.2 ppm.
 
Don't get too frustrated! That's easy for me to say but starting fresh will take a lot longer than it will to get over this spike :)
 
The only final thing I can suggest is maybe there's been a power outage while you've been out/in bed? I know that wouldn't usually be long enough but 
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My husband and I just got back from photographing a couple of hours, and it looks like they just might pull through. They were all swimming upright. They're still affected, though, so I think I'll skip feeding them again tonight. 
 
I don't know if it's worth noting that all affected fish were not true tigers; the last batch I got were some kind of hybrid, the ones with extra black between their stripes. Interesting.
 

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