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'the Slow Burner' - Pics & Vid 21/08

Yes i had read that. Need some time to get a fry tank up and running anyway.

If the parasite persists and spreads i will be gutted
 
Yeah it's really common for them to eat them when the light goes off the first few times. They'll do it again. And the size difference is funny - you should have words with your cradle-snatching male! :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:
 
Some good news. The poorly angel appears to be making a recovery. Symptoms have vanished and is now much more mobile around the tank.
 
Well, several days after finishing the course of eSHa Hexamita, the infected angel seems to be completely free of the parasites!

Now I need to look to replace the two I lost so that the paired females aggression can be spread over more than just the two remaining juvis. She has basically split the tank in half, and the two juvis are not tolerated in the left side of the tank (the site of the first spawning).

Found some Bolivian Rams locally for a very reasonable £3.95. I'm thinking of adding 4 of these to the existing 2 with the aim of making some pairs and to hopefully see some breeding. After watching the angels spawn and finding it fascinating, I think the cichlid breeding path is the place I want to go at present. I've really enjoyed the Rams behaviour since I've had them (almost 2yrs now), so stepping that up to breeding is something I'm looking forward to.
 
Well, several days after finishing the course of eSHa Hexamita, the infected angel seems to be completely free of the parasites!

Now I need to look to replace the two I lost so that the paired females aggression can be spread over more than just the two remaining juvis. She has basically split the tank in half, and the two juvis are not tolerated in the left side of the tank (the site of the first spawning).
Glad it worked :) is this one of the parasites where it makes sense to do a second treatment after the first is done? Or to maybe pre-soak the food in it for a few more days, to make sure that the parasites really are gone? Also, it's still worth waiting a few weeks to make sure the problem is really solved: to quarantine your existing fish, if you like.

Found some Bolivian Rams locally for a very reasonable £3.95. I'm thinking of adding 4 of these to the existing 2 with the aim of making some pairs and to hopefully see some breeding. After watching the angels spawn and finding it fascinating, I think the cichlid breeding path is the place I want to go at present. I've really enjoyed the Rams behaviour since I've had them (almost 2yrs now), so stepping that up to breeding is something I'm looking forward to.
It might make sense if you try to get 4 of the same age as the existing two, if someone locally wants to change their set-up. My thinking here is that when they get old (another 3-4 years, I reckon), it would be better if all 6 died at the same time (not 2-3 years apart) so you can change direction or replace all 6 at that point.
 
Glad it worked :) is this one of the parasites where it makes sense to do a second treatment after the first is done? Or to maybe pre-soak the food in it for a few more days, to make sure that the parasites really are gone? Also, it's still worth waiting a few weeks to make sure the problem is really solved: to quarantine your existing fish, if you like.

I've not read any info on performing a second treatment, although to be fair I've not performed a search with that criteria....was just glad it worked at all. Will have a look this evening. And I should be clear that I wont be getting any angels for a while to be 100% sure it's gone. I've only found this variety in one LFS recently, and I certainly wont be buying from the same stock.


It might make sense if you try to get 4 of the same age as the existing two, if someone locally wants to change their set-up. My thinking here is that when they get old (another 3-4 years, I reckon), it would be better if all 6 died at the same time (not 2-3 years apart) so you can change direction or replace all 6 at that point.

I understand what you are saying, but I would not mind them 'fading away' over a long period (one is 2, the other is actually 1 now I think about it). I'm mainly focusing on the angels which should hopefully be around for just as long, and any new tank direction would have to work around them anyway.
 
Glad it worked :) is this one of the parasites where it makes sense to do a second treatment after the first is done? Or to maybe pre-soak the food in it for a few more days, to make sure that the parasites really are gone? Also, it's still worth waiting a few weeks to make sure the problem is really solved: to quarantine your existing fish, if you like.
I've not read any info on performing a second treatment, although to be fair I've not performed a search with that criteria....was just glad it worked at all. Will have a look this evening. And I should be clear that I wont be getting any angels for a while to be 100% sure it's gone. I've only found this variety in one LFS recently, and I certainly wont be buying from the same stock.
Did you warn the LFS about the problem? The LFS may not have known about the problem when you bought the angels, which I think is quite likely because even you didn't pick up on it. Let us know what the result of your searches will be!

It might make sense if you try to get 4 of the same age as the existing two, if someone locally wants to change their set-up. My thinking here is that when they get old (another 3-4 years, I reckon), it would be better if all 6 died at the same time (not 2-3 years apart) so you can change direction or replace all 6 at that point.
I understand what you are saying, but I would not mind them 'fading away' over a long period (one is 2, the other is actually 1 now I think about it). I'm mainly focusing on the angels which should hopefully be around for just as long, and any new tank direction would have to work around them anyway.
Fair enough :) I think it's quite a different story with the angels though because their lifespan is in the 10-15 years, as opposed to 4.5-5.5 range, so even a couple of years difference is not that much potentially.
 
Did you warn the LFS about the problem? The LFS may not have known about the problem when you bought the angels, which I think is quite likely because even you didn't pick up on it. Let us know what the result of your searches will be!

To be fair I didn't even think to do so. I don't have any 'relationship' with that particular LFS. I'm not sure how I feel about walking in there and proclaiming "your fish are unhealthy". In my mind they will be defensive and unwelcoming of the information. If I do go back in the near future, I suppose I should though.
 
To be fair I didn't even think to do so. I don't have any 'relationship' with that particular LFS. I'm not sure how I feel about walking in there and proclaiming "your fish are unhealthy". In my mind they will be defensive and unwelcoming of the information. If I do go back in the near future, I suppose I should though.
What about something like "I bought some *fish* on *date* and they had *disease* which I successfully treated with *medication*. I thought you might like to know in case the rest of the fish also had it and you're having trouble treating it." -> enter into discussion and find out if this is a common occurrence with their stock.

I have worked at two LFS before and have often had to deal with wholesalers. The LFS can't do anything about getting an occasional infected batch of fish, but it is irresponsible to continuously buy fish from a poor wholesaler/farm/breeder. My advice is go by their response: if they don't care, leave; if it appears to be a freak occurrence, maybe consider giving them a second chance but do quarantine if you buy fish from them again, there's no point risking your existing fish.

Edit: it would definitely be worth checking how the remainder of the angels is doing at the LFS and if it's not well, whether they have a "not for sale" sticker on the tank.
 
Got my old moonlights in there, suspended from the cross-brace.

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And what's this I see in the Q tank?

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Hmmmm.....let's look a little closer.....

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Got four Bolivian Rams to go with my current two. This was them this morning and their colours had already perked up after looking very stressed yesterday evening.
 
Also had a nightmare yesterday. In my haste to set up the Q tank and the new Bolivians, I opened my 305 BEFORE I had disconnected the hoses. Cue many litres of water gushing into the cabinet and surrounding floor whilst I desperately ripped the pipes out of the tank to stop the flow.

A job that was going to take me 5mins (seeding the Q tank from the 305 sponges) ended up taking an hour, with lots of added swearing.
 
The quarantined Bolivians will be moved in this weekend (two weeks in Q-tank, no sign of any illness) and then I'm going to find two more angels. Got my eye on two locally and hopefully they will still be available

the 5 ablino bronze corys should also get some of their regular coloured compariots as well - found them for 3 for £5.

.....possibly a red whiptail as well.

Then - DONE.


Plants that I added are doing ok, all except the swords. ALL the leaves have become peppered with holes and there is a lot of additional excrement near my BN's cave - you do the math!
 
Additional bolivians have been moved in.

6 bronze corys, 2 apple snails and 2 TINY angels (roughly 10 pence piece size) are now in the Q-tank. Once these are moved into the main tank the stocking will be:

6 angels
6 Bolivan Rams
25ish neon tetra
8 Harlequin Rasbora
11 bronze/albino cory (6/5)
1 BN

then I think I'm done......and still gives me room for an impulse buy or two!

SPAWNING

Looks like the angel pair are at it again - have been cleaning the filter intake for the last two days.
 

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