The great kitten debate

China abandoned its one child policy a few years ago.

It did creat a rpoblem with a number of baby girls being dumped so the family could try for a boy.

Another (and IIRC the main) reason for the abandonment of the one child policy is that they have a large amount of the population approaching retirement age, and not enough younger people to pay the pensions.

On the cat thing...I would love to take rescued pets. Sadly, due to where I live I had to take house only cats, which meant buying persians from a breeder.

However, most of my family keep dogs and the majority of those over the years have been from rescues and I can guarantee that when I have a garden I will adopt a rescue dog. There is nothing greater than knowing you have truly changed your pet's life for the better.
 
Hey if I could have kittens, I glady gladly would!! I have had 3 cats, one feral tom cat that we decided to look after.
Kittens are the greatest, but I still would rather look after an old sleepy cat anyday :wub:
 
andywg said:
On the cat thing...I would love to take rescued pets. Sadly, due to where I live I had to take house only cats, which meant buying persians from a breeder.
I don't understand what this means. Both my cats are house cats (cuz i say so) and both are rescued.
 
And actually, most shelters do not allow you to let the cat you adopt roam. One of my cats is from a shelter and she's an indoor cat. The other one I took from the street and also an indoor cat.
 
gaya said:
Both my cats are house cats (cuz i say so) and both are rescued.
Gaya I know what you are saying, as I myself have one cat that I just turned into a housecat (because I said so). But seeing as you asked, I'll try to explain:
there are many many cats you simply cannot do this with. I had one such cat and it drove him insane to try and convert to living indoors. He started urinating all over the house. Ripping up carpets (in a big way), clawing doors and walls, screaming (and I don't just mean meowing) and in general just completely and utterly destroying the house. As a vet nurse I had a lot of experience with feline behavior, but no approach to correct his behavior helped at all. In the end I had to rehome him where he had unrestricted outdoor access.

Not everyone has loads of cat shelters around them to choose from a wealth of animals. Those who live in the middle of nowhere (or countryside), might only have 1 and therefore has to choose a cat or dog from that shelter. In such cases, chances are very great that those cats will mostly be outdoor cats. Whereas you are more likely to find a majority of indoor cats in city shelters. Not all, but I'm saying the majority.
 
I was just wondering which part of the UK in the first post all the non UK residents didnt understand?

Also lets put this another way. When you go and buy new fish do you buy the young juvinile fish that you will get to see grow and enjoy keeping for many years or do you look for the old adult fish that have been returned which could have all sorts of invisable problems from being badly kept and have already lived half of their lifespans?

Older cats are no where near as much fun as a kitten or young cat which doesnt mind being picked up for cuddles and will play with balls and bits of string. People with young children want a pet their kids can play with and with most older cats this isnt a option since they normally just want a quiet life where they are left alone and will often lash out with their claws if they are annoyed.
 
Very well put CFC !
I've also already tried to point out the UK part on the first page, but it obviously went entirely un-noticed.
 
bloozoo2 said:
Gaya I know what you are saying, as I myself have one cat that I just turned into a housecat (because I said so). But seeing as you asked, I'll try to explain:
there are many many cats you simply cannot do this with. I had one such cat and it drove him insane to try and convert to living indoors. He started urinating all over the house. Ripping up carpets (in a big way), clawing doors and walls, screaming (and I don't just mean meowing) and in general just completely and utterly destroying the house. As a vet nurse I had a lot of experience with feline behavior, but no approach to correct his behavior helped at all. In the end I had to rehome him where he had unrestricted outdoor access.
I understand what you are saying blooz. I've never come across a cat like that, though come to think about it, maybe that's what my cat's probelm is!!!! hmm.
 
I have to agree that CFC makes a great point. For me, the fish analogy makes total sense. I started keeping fish for my own pleasure. On the other hand i didn't get my cats for my pleasure, i took them in for their well being. But I can understand why someone would want to raise their pet and bond with them from the get go. The problem on this planet isn't the pet owners that want their kittens and who responsibly take care of them for the rest of their lives, it's the people who buy or obtain animals impulsively and then give them up and the rest of us have to deal with the burden. A lot of humans are just selfish and callous.
 
Our problem is also the people who randomly breed an animal without considering the consequences. These are the people who contribute to the unwanted cats and have them appearing in shelters in the first place. How many purebreds do you see in your local shelter? Most cats there were bred accidentaly or 'allowed to breed' with feral or free-roaming cats. Someone who wants a kitten can choose between going to a shelter or getting one from someone who's just bred a bunch of moggies and is advertising in the local newspaper. Most likely, they'll go for the easier and 'safer' route and get the advertised cats. The kittens in the shelter may still be adopted by someone - but that someone may have otherwise gone for an adult in the shelter. The adult will have to die. Also, I have to say I usualy agree with CFC but not in this case. You cannot compare a cat to most fish. For a start, cats live far longer than most fish. They also are a more 'hands-on' type of animal. They require interaction and much more stimulation. If you get a kitten, you have to spend time with it and ensure it grows to be a healthy cat, if you get an adult, you have to teach it to adapt to its new environment. A fish doesn't need to adapt to living with humans - it will behave pretty much based on instincts and as it would in teh wild (if it is in the right environment). If it is not treated well, it will sucumb to stress and disease and likely die. A cat will suffer many years or be abandoned. As a result, it could be put to sleep. A fish may be returned - but the LFS will try to sell it on. No LFS I know will kill fish if there's a chance of selling them. Also, I live in teh UK. I also volunteered at a local RSPCA shelter. There were almost always 3 new-born litters of kittens at any one time. That is about 18 individual mix-breed kittens available for adoption. Yes, they would be reserved and be gone almost immediately as soon as they were old enough. Their mothers, on the other hand (which were also often there with the younger cats), would often spend week upon week stuck in the shelter. Sometimes they'd be taken, sometimes they'd be put to sleep. As for the 18 kittens - they'd go to new homes. The 40 or so adult cats that were also housed there, however, would be left in favour of the cute little kitties that would soon also grow into big cats with their own quirks and faults. In my opinion, all cats of mixed-lineage (I know purebreds would still have to be bred) should be neutered as soona s they are old enough. This isn't just better so as to reduce the number of unwanted cats on the streets and in our shelters, it is also a procedure which lengthens most cats' lives and makes them less prone to all sorts of conditions (eg cancer). It also means they'll feel less inclined to wander large distances (an uneatered tom has a very large territory - one that has been castrated will remain within a much smaller radius and may even be kept incdoors without problems) and they can be kept as indoor-only cats much more comfortably and I am sure everyone understands the benefits of that. Having said that, I think the UK is pretty good about keeping the feral population down - I don't see that many cats on the streets (compared to other countries I've lived in) BUT a lot of those cats do end up in shelters where, realy, they aren't that much better off and are often left there, to be put to sleep, by people who choose to adopt a kitten instead of a cat. IMO, and I know this is controversial, no one should be breeding their pet cat while there are so many kittens out there already. Instead, go reserve all the kittens that get brought in to your local shelter. Raise THOSE for a while in place of your own cat's kittens and then try to find homes for THOSE kittens instead of adding to them with your own.
I would like to add that at one point I owned 29 cats. They were all strays I had taken in and were of various ages. One was a mother with 7 young kittens in tow. All were neutered and vaccinated as soon as they were of the right age (where applicable). I appreciate that people wouuld like to adopt kittens and bond and raise them etc - fair enough - but I would like to see fewer people ADDING to the available kittens. If we can get all the adults adopted first, people can start looking into getting kittens later. Even if every responsible person neutered their cats and made sure they didn't breed, there would still be strays and kittens looking for homes so there would never realy be a shortage. There is no need for those of us who are responsible though, to contribute to the number.
 
I would just like to point out that many of the tropical fish we keep at home should have life spans as long if not longer than that of a cat. Did you know that clown loaches have the potential to live for 25 years? Most of the larger Cichlids should live 15+ years as do most species of Corydoras and other catfish, even neon tetras can have a lifespan of 10 years when kept properly. The idea that fish have short lifespans comes from the fact that most people have no idea how to look after their fish properly or the fish are kept in conditions that are not ideal for their long term health.
 
I haven't bothered reading all this topic but when our 13YO cat died last summer it took us a week to find ourselfs a new kitten.

We were prepared to adopt a slightly older kitten but still needed to be young as we look at them as our companions so have to live long not to die in a few years from old age.

we found a young cat we loved at a home and were ready to adopt but they wouldn't give him to us as we were on the main road and were going to let him roam. If cat homes are so desperate to get rid of cats then why didn't they give him to us when we have acres of fields filled with mice out the back.

needless to say we bougt a lovely lil kitten off a local family and she's doing fine today, she's about 11 months now. she doesn't even bother with out the front whn we have a big garden and fields out the back she usually catches atlest 1 animal a day and she managed to bring home 2 baby rabbits the other day.

she has been courting for a couple of weeks now and when she has her 1st batch and settled down again we will have her done.
 
I was just wondering which part of the UK in the first post all the non UK residents didnt understand?

Great CFC, now we're going to have a forum that requires you to be from certain countries to be able to reply to threads.

While you're at it, why don't you only allow people from certain countries to reply to certain posts. There must be a way for it to be done!!
 
my take on CFCs' post is this
how can you comment on a UK situation unless you are in or have recently lived in the UK?

I wouldn't want to comment on the situation about the culling of 'roos in Australia as I'm not there first hand to see it or be affected by it.

I've tried to keep out of this but now I'm in here, this is my view

If someone wants to re-home an abandoned/feral kitten then kudos to them.
If they have the room, time and patience to re-home an older cat then that is also a good thing.
I have in the past re-homed kittens, and it is very nice to see them grow up
but I also have re-homed older cats.
All three of my current cats are rescues and Gennie was 13 when I took her in; she is now 18 and still a loving and friendly cat.
Thomas was 4 and dyllon was 3 when I took them in.

anyone that can re-home any cat regardless of its' age is, in my book, a great person and I salute you all. :clap:
 

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