Th guppy project

It is beautiful though is it not?

I agree entirely with you about the importance of good health over looks. I just feel that trying to kill off the weaker fish when it won't make a big difference anyway isn't very fair. Good luck with your project though - it should, at the very least, give us some insight on the effects of in-breeding etc. :)
 
Yes it is a very beutiful guppy and i certainly wouldn't mind having it but it would be better if you could have the same fish with a realy good imune system.
The projects could be split up into many different sections, i'll keep up updated and i'll try to write down a guppy diary.
Depending on the results of the projects i may go into other projects on livebearers :nod:
 
Very interesting, Tokis.

I, too, have been frustrated by the survival rate of some of the fancy guppies. One thing I have found is that they seem to do better in smaller tanks. I have bred fancy guppies, on and off, for many years, but have never had the opportunity to really "get into it" to the extent that I am now. And I am learning along the way. I always separate out the sexes as they mature, pick out the best individuals for myself, and take the rest to my LFS. LFS always appreciates males with nice finnage, females with color and large bodies. I was always able to get this on a small scale when I was working with ten gallon tanks. On a couple of occasions, though, I have recently had such large numbers of fry that I felt tens were cramping them, so as they began putting on size I moved them to a 55 to grow out. Both times I have done this, I have lost the majority of these fish for no apparent reason, usually shortly after the males began to get some size to their tail fins.

Now, this is just a guess on my part, and kind of a project I am working on myself, but it may be that the large flowing fins of the fancy guppies are to the point where it is too much for the fish to handle in a large open environment. As I said, I have successfully raised the previous generation of these fish in 10 gallon tanks...simple box filters, lots of floating plants, and religious partial water changes. 15 and 20 gallon tanks have worked also. But if you look at the depth difference between a 10, 15, or 20 gallon tank and the depth of a 55, plus the increased flow amount necessary for adequate filtration...then compare the finnage of a "wild-type" male guppy to the finnage of the fancy guppies of today...the fish just don't seem to be able to survive. My losses were much like the ones you described, there was nothing outwardly wrong with the fish, doing fine one day, dead the next. I think the answer may be in keeping these fish in smaller tanks, for whatever the reason may be.
 
If you really want better fish you should let your females drop all their fry from being 'hit' while at the store, then breed them, and I would see if you can't find pet stores with different suppliers, not to mention include other peoples home grown guppies. Personally I mix them with feeder guppies, the feeders seem to last longer, but I still have better luck with my generation than the ones I bought at the store, not to mention mine show traits that I never saw in ANY of the guppies I've ever bought, and I had some very horny inbred males lol. That's another thing for your second project, I would suggest watching them in the tank at the store for at least five minutes before buying any, the ones I picked out after watching for a while lived a lot longer than the ones I let the employees pick out. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the advice, when i buy my female guppys from my lfs i try to go for ones that aern't or are the lest pregnant but thats virtually imposible to find female guppys lol...
My lfs usually stocks the males and females in different tanks although i still end up with pregnant ones so they must have mated while still at the fish farm/breeders- fry from these pregnant females seem to be lower quality than home bred fry.

I think you could be right fishdudein about the long tailed fancy guppys- i also suppose that most of the long tailed fancy guppys are bred and raised in small tanks most of their lives so perhaps they are not always strong enough to cope in a big tank; i have the filtration turned up quite high in the 50gal cos its about 2ft deep and i get worried from time to time that the bottom of the tank doesn't get enough filtration.
Its a shame though that they are bred so they cannot survive very well in large tanks but once i get a bigger place i shall try an invest in another 10-15gal tank to continue the longer fancy tailed guppy part of the project.
 

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