Stocking My 180 Litre Tank.

[Dpayton11]

Your attitude sucks man. Why ask questions if your just gonna flip out and say you don't need the answers?

 

[Colonel Dibble]

~90-100cm of adult fish are suitable for a 180l.
 
Your stocking list below is ~200cm of adult fish, more in line with a tank at least double your 180l.
 

Hmm, my first thought was, a really exotic big fish is what your after.
What are your thoughts on pufferfish?

 
Helllllllllll noooooooooo.
 
TBH I think I am quite set on what I had already. I looked at Corys which someone recommended, and I am going to slip 6-8 of those in. Should look good enough.
 
10-12 Marbled Hatchetfish
20-24 Cardinal Tetras
6-8 Corydoras (Depending on what ones I choose)
3 Apistogrammas.
(1 Cacatuoides)
(1 Agassizii)
(1 Hongsloi)
 
Blue/Red Ramshorn Snails. Malaysian Trumpets.
 
And I wanted some advice on some other Snails people would recommend. Purely for Ornamental purpose and not to clean algae as such. Maybe Nerite or something? I don't know. Want ones that will potentially breed in Soft water.

I would love to hear your magical plan for how to stock fish.

If no-one points out the flaws in what you are proposing, then others reading the forum will infer that it is right. If you choose to ignore it, that's up to you, but the advice will always be posted.

But it's not a flaw, this tank will be well stocked, not over stocked. You said I can't keep cardinals in a 2 ft now you are saying they are cramped in a 3 and a half ft tank... Wow

So would numbers would you pick so I can really laugh

 

[Colonel Dibble]

Just as you stated you dont want advice you dont need or want I want to state I dont agree with your stocking plans or your attitude towards the forum.
 
Anyway... if you manage to keep up the water changes and control the nitrate in the tank it will only be the cramped conditions that will be bad not the water.
 
As for the Apistos - I would do a hareem - three males will fight, its really un natural for them to be kept like that - why not go for a species with colourful females like Panduro or Nijsens? In the trio you have there the Agassizi will seriously suffer the other two males generally get much bulkier and could over power them.
Wills

I am going to keep up with the water changes. And it's not going to be cramped, therefore I said I don't really need advice like that, but thanks though.

A few quotes from the king of apistogrammas: I always recommend males from different species-groups that don't have the same body shape or finnage. Of course temperament is important, too. A. cacatuoides, A. hongsloi/macmasteri, and A. agassizii would be good choices. It's also important that the tank has well established visual territorial boundaries set up.


Mike Wise, Jun 28, 2013

A. cacatuoides & A. agassizii are found together in some places in the wild. In a tank that is properly decorated the 2 species are sufficiently different in form that intraspecific confusion/aggression shouldn't be a problem. When there is, it's usually an indication that you either have a tank with too few territories or an overly aggressive specimen. When first introducing the fish (preferably all at the same time) add a piece of floating pipe (black PBS works) to the top of the tank. It will be used as a refuge for any of the 'losers'.
Mike Wise, Jul 3, 2013

He knows what he is talking about, I got advice from him. Not people who probably haven't kept apistos for more than a year...

So it just gets annoying when you ask one question and people are giving you answers to a different question that you didn't even ask for.

Hey, do you know what is unnatural? Keeping fish in a glass box in your living room....

 

[SamB]

Note that he discusses too few territories - the territories need to be of specific size and hence the need for a large tank.
 
Here's some advice you DO need.. don't cut off your nose to spite your face. People are giving you advice to create an enjoyable and healthy environment, not just to be mean and pick on you. This is a group of genuinely helpful people who want the best for both the fish and the owner. They want to help you create a tank that you can enjoy and that will last for years with as little as possible problems from aggression and shortened life spans.

 

[KevM]

Note that he discusses too few territories - the territories need to be of specific size and hence the need for a large tank.

There's plenty of space in that tank for 3 males, so long as they look different enough to one another. For the record, I'd personally be inclined to try as many as 5 males in a tank that size. But then again, I'm more interested in breeding behaviour than keeping single males. Still, the space is there, if you 'scape it well.

 

[Colonel Dibble]

To samB
Well he said I could get 3 males for my 2ft so.... Yeah.
Yeah I understand but I just want people to answer the questions I am actually asking. Is that too hard?

 

[TallTree01]

Just as you stated you dont want advice you dont need or want I want to state I dont agree with your stocking plans or your attitude towards the forum.
 
Anyway... if you manage to keep up the water changes and control the nitrate in the tank it will only be the cramped conditions that will be bad not the water.
 
As for the Apistos - I would do a hareem - three males will fight, its really un natural for them to be kept like that - why not go for a species with colourful females like Panduro or Nijsens? In the trio you have there the Agassizi will seriously suffer the other two males generally get much bulkier and could over power them.
Wills

I am going to keep up with the water changes. And it's not going to be cramped, therefore I said I don't really need advice like that, but thanks though.
A few quotes from the king of apistogrammas: I always recommend males from different species-groups that don't have the same body shape or finnage. Of course temperament is important, too. A. cacatuoides, A. hongsloi/macmasteri, and A. agassizii would be good choices. It's also important that the tank has well established visual territorial boundaries set up.
Mike Wise, Jun 28, 2013
A. cacatuoides & A. agassizii are found together in some places in the wild. In a tank that is properly decorated the 2 species are sufficiently different in form that intraspecific confusion/aggression shouldn't be a problem. When there is, it's usually an indication that you either have a tank with too few territories or an overly aggressive specimen. When first introducing the fish (preferably all at the same time) add a piece of floating pipe (black PBS works) to the top of the tank. It will be used as a refuge for any of the 'losers'.
Mike Wise, Jul 3, 2013
He knows what he is talking about, I got advice from him. Not people who probably haven't kept apistos for more than a year...
So it just gets annoying when you ask one question and people are giving you answers to a different question that you didn't even ask for.
Hey, do you know what is unnatural? Keeping fish in a glass box in your living room....

Oh struth! If that's your attitude to wards fishkeeping then WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU KEEP FISH!!!
You've had a go at wills cichlid knowledge ( which I know to be superior to most ) AND you've had a go at people giving you advice. You wanted advice on stocking. We gave it to you, you flipped. Dunno why...

 

[Wills]

 
Hey, do you know what is unnatural? Keeping fish in a glass box in your living room....
 

 
Its in my kitchen actually
 
Wills

 

[wrightt3]

 

 
Hey, do you know what is unnatural? Keeping fish in a glass box in your living room....
 

 
Its in my kitchen actually

 
Wills
 

My tanks are in my... Oh wait, their everywhere!

 

[TallTree01]

Hey, do you know what is unnatural? Keeping fish in a glass box in your living room....

 
Its in my kitchen actually
 
Wills

My tanks are in my... Oh wait, their everywhere!

Hehe to both of you.
And FYI, my tank is in my bedroom.

 

[Chad]

...People are giving you advice to create an enjoyable and healthy environment, not just to be mean and pick on you. This is a group of genuinely helpful people who want the best for both the fish and the owner...

I agree.

 

Okay, lets try this again. I don't want any advice on my tank or any of the sort, I am just simply asking what people would stock in a 180L.

I am doing soft water and probably a planted community.

Give me your ideas for fish pleassse.

Here's the problem with the original question as I see it:
 
There are too many variables left unsaid for anyone to give a good answer. What fish will depend on lighting, planting, substrate, dimensions of the tank, the amount of flow, and probably a few other things I'm overlooking.

I use a long list of things to determine stocking my tanks and a similar list for corals and inverts.

• max fish size
• temperament
• type of food
• quantity of food
• metabolism
• fish compatibility
• coral compatibility
• invert compatibility
• substrate requirements
• swimming requirements
• swimming ability
• flow requirements
• sensitivity to changes in parameters
• sensitivity to water quality issues
• sleeping habits
• rock work requirements
• lighting preference
• body shape (deep keeled vs shallow)
• territorial requirements (I can only keep 1 male clown goby in my 210 gallon tank and that fish is tiny)
• escape and jumping potential
• temperature requirements (temperate vs tropical also temp range and how temp affects metabolism)
• growth rate
• Tank specifications (gallons and dimensions)

Lol, read the top post. Don't give me advice, that I don't need. Thanks, Bye.

You asked, "...what people would stock in a 180L". Unless everyone agrees you are going to get some saying yes to a fish and some saying no.
If someone says keep a freshwater ray or a mbou puffer in there then expect someone to speak up and say...eh...no.
Probably best if you don't give your plan if all you want is to hear what others's think. If what they say matches what your plan is then go for it but in the end you are going to make up your own mind no matter what they say.

You may not want to hear people's ideas (even though you asked for them) but as long as they aren't being rude they have a right to give them to you. Polite discourse on the aquarium hobby is the purpose of this forum.
 
The polite thing to do if you don't like or want a reply is simply move on to the posts that you do find helpful and overlook the ones you do not.

 

[TallTree01]

...People are giving you advice to create an enjoyable and healthy environment, not just to be mean and pick on you. This is a group of genuinely helpful people who want the best for both the fish and the owner...

I agree.
 

Okay, lets try this again. I don't want any advice on my tank or any of the sort, I am just simply asking what people would stock in a 180L.
I am doing soft water and probably a planted community.
Give me your ideas for fish pleassse.

Here's the problem with the original question as I see it:
 
There are too many variables left unsaid for anyone to give a good answer. What fish will depend on lighting, planting, substrate, dimensions of the tank, the amount of flow, and probably a few other things I'm overlooking.
I use a long list of things to determine stocking my tanks and a similar list for corals and inverts.

• max fish size
• temperament
• type of food
• quantity of food
• metabolism
• fish compatibility
• coral compatibility
• invert compatibility
• substrate requirements
• swimming requirements
• swimming ability
• flow requirements
• sensitivity to changes in parameters
• sensitivity to water quality issues
• sleeping habits
• rock work requirements
• lighting preference
• body shape (deep keeled vs shallow)
• territorial requirements (I can only keep 1 male clown goby in my 210 gallon tank and that fish is tiny)
• escape and jumping potential
• temperature requirements (temperate vs tropical also temp range and how temp affects metabolism)
• growth rate
• Tank specifications (gallons and dimensions)

Lol, read the top post. Don't give me advice, that I don't need. Thanks, Bye.

You asked, "...what people would stock in a 180L". Unless everyone agrees you are going to get some saying yes to a fish and some saying no.
If someone says keep a freshwater ray or a mbou puffer in there then expect someone to speak up and say...eh...no.
Probably best if you don't give your plan if all you want is to hear what others's think. If what they say matches what your plan is then go for it but in the end you are going to make up your own mind no matter what they say.
You may not want to hear people's ideas (even though you asked for them) but as long as they aren't being rude they have a right to give them to you. Polite discourse on the aquarium hobby is the purpose of this forum.
 
The polite thing to do if you don't like or want a reply is simply move on to the posts that you do find helpful and overlook the ones you do not.

And to politely acknowledge their post so they don't feel ignored.
I.e tellin the person in question they know little to nothing about fish and that their advice sucks is not a polite way of doing it. Either way, this topics gonna get closed unless we stop having jabs at each other.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

And to politely acknowledge their post so they don't feel ignored.
I.e tellin the person in question they know little to nothing about fish and that their advice sucks is not a polite way of doing it. Either way, this topics gonna get closed unless we stop having jabs at each other.
 

 
I can guarantee that.

 

[Kirky1986]

sooo you dont want any advice on what your stocking yet post on a forum for people to get help and advice and title it 'Stocking MY 180 Litre Tank' and then give grief to everyone who comments. 'Stocking A 180 Litre' fair enough but u imply u want help with yours

 

[eaglesaquarium]

It seems this thread has run its course.
 
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