Si's Low Tech Tank Journal

Indeed, you shall have to inform us (me) how it goes, especially as i said i'll be setting mine up as soon as i get my reg. I have all the other bits, bubble counter, diffuser, tubing and the FE ofcourse :)

Have you fired yours off yet? Please give me a second opinion on that, as in what happens. I'm expecting an explosion, its a frightening concept. If i don't hear back, am i ok to assume the worst has happened? :lol:
 
I will, I'll keep posting in the log of how I put this together and what not so I can post it to other newbies. I was told by the german seller that the reg would be in stock on the 6th, no way has it taken 3 days from germany! they must have had one lying around...

I havn't fired it of yet no, going to sort it all out tomorrow and hopefully have it up and running. I also am having pictures of it shooting off :crazy: If I don't return, my fish will need a new home :p
 
hiding from me probably :lol:

Other questions include

When you've made all the knobs on the regulator 0, do you twist the cylinder wheel thingy just one full turn?

when you 'fire' the canister I take it you just do it with a regulator in (solenoid too?) then connect everything and fiddle with the regulator to start with 1bps and work it up? I read on the sellers website you can times the KH by the litres in the tank to get an estimate which was 5bps for me.

How many times do I turn the knob on the regulator(not the needle valve) or what pressure shall I aim for. Is it about 1.2bar? german isn't easy to understand :p

Hi Pd,

I was just reading your post and noticed that you were talking about times the KH by litres in the tank to get an estimate of how many Bps. Can you explain this further for me? (I thought you just injected enough Co2 to get a nice green colour in the drop checker) As you know I did start a journal inwhich no one has bothered to comment on! So thats out the window!
Also you mentioned in your posts about putting on the Co2 on 2 hrs before the light come on (you still don't have an answer for this?) even though it makes sence to prime the tank so the plants have C02 ready to digest.
 
Sorry yeah, its best to work with a drop checker, I just thought maybe there would be some way of figuring out a good place to start. I think i'll just start with 1bps and work up over several days noting the drop checker a lot. It was just a calculation that came with the regulator i bought (had to translate it from german) but it said KH x tank volume in litres = bubbles per minute I think! I have a feeling its a load of bull to be honest though :)

I believe that you put the co2 on about 2 hours before lights on, then turn it off an hour or two before the lights go out...
 
If the pic on the aquatic magic site is the same as it was a few years ago it is wrong. It is solenoid, then NRV then BC then diffuser. You are right. The NRV is to stop any water coming into the regulator.

Like this:

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This is the full rig but I've replaced the glass NRV with a brass one here :)

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AC
 
Wheres SuperColey when you need him :p

Lol, there are plenty of knowledgable people on here. I'm maybe a little more vocal. lol


When you've made all the knobs on the regulator 0, do you twist the cylinder wheel thingy just one full turn?
Open the cylinder up until you hit 1.5bar (with the needle valve closed)

when you 'fire' the canister I take it you just do it with a regulator in (solenoid too?) then connect everything and fiddle with the regulator to start with 1bps and work it up? I read on the sellers website you can times the KH by the litres in the tank to get an estimate which was 5bps for me.
Nope. you 'open' the regulator with the large knob and then leave it alone. From there on you are using the needle valve. No idea on the 'firing part. I never used FEs I used disposable welding cannisters.

No idea on this 'estimate' theory. You start at 1bps and then slowly work your way up or down until the DC is saying 'bingo'. Can take a couple of days to get it dialled in first time and from then on you pretty much know where you are. Can take a couple of tweaks though as the 'back pressure' can change slightly when you disconnect and reconnect (cleaning diffuser)

The 2 hour prior concept is used by the majority. Basically the plants do all the hard work in the first few hours. therefore people want the CO2 in there ready and can then turn it off well before the end of the photoperiod. Think of it as you get somewhere have a huge meal and aren't hungry for the rest of the day.

Some people who 'trust' their abilities may only have the CO2 on for 1-2 hours before and then turn it off 4 hours in. Most do 2 hours before lights on and then off 2 hours before lights off. Tom Barr (who as oyu would expect knows his stuff on this and more than likley has his CO2 setup better than anyone else in the world) turns his on at the same time as the lights :)

I would go for 2 before and 2 after. Once you're happy the setup is fine (circulation, etc) then you can adjust your method if wanted. I used to have mine turn on half an hour before lights and off 4 hours before lights off.

~Forget the estimates. CO2 can kill fish pretty easy. Always start cautiously on the low side and work your way slowly up. Keep checking the DC every 2 hours for the first few days and 'tweak it' until you are happy it is not going yello but is reaching 'lighter green' push it to limeade colour when you are confident but that is pretty close to yellow so hold off until you are confident.

Forget anything that ever tries to tell you the bps. Your bubble counter may give 1 bubble to 5 in mine :) different units produce different size bubbles.

Good luck, take care and keep monitoring. CO2 is a big step but if you get it working well is a huge leap from being a gardener to being a 'technician'. You will be pruning a lot more than you think :)

AC
 
Just to add seeing as a few are reading this thread. lol

DO NOT clse the needle valve tightly. As per its name it is a needle and if you try and close it tighly the needle will not be a needle anymore. Then it won't be doing the fine alteration you want.

Just close it gently until you feel it getting tough. It isn't a problem if a 'fine tuner' is very slightly open. You could leave it like that for a year and not lose half your cylinder. POush it further and you have rendered useless one of the most important pieces of this setup......the consistency/accuracy factor.

AC
 
righto.

You know you were saying you turn the large knob and then leave it alone,

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Do you mean the one on the canister? then you change the bar using the one on the regulator, after you've set everything up, THEN use the fine needle (on the left in the pic)?

The tubing should be pull tight on the bubble counter, NRV etc? It goes on about a cm and I can't physically get it on more than that :rolleyes:
 
Do you mean the one on the canister? then you change the bar using the one on the regulator, after you've set everything up, THEN use the fine needle (on the left in the pic)?

No idea on the cannister. I would giess that you open that as far as you want to. More a simple gass in or out thing rather than an actual control. Use the one on the regulator to set 1.5bar, then the needle valve to fine tune how much of that pressure is allowered through to the hose.

The tubing should be pull tight on the bubble counter, NRV etc? It goes on about a cm and I can't physically get it on more than that :rolleyes:

If it is on a cm and hard to get off, then test for leaks with soapy water, if none don't worry :)

For future, boil the kettle, open the lid, dip the hose end in for 10 seconds, It is now soft an maleable and should go on easy, then once on and cooled down it will be rock solid.

AC
 
Oooooook, so you just test for leaks along the tubing and connections, i thought it would be an odd thing to dip the regulator in water :look:
 
Oooooook, so you just test for leaks along the tubing and connections, i thought it would be an odd thing to dip the regulator in water :look:

small pot of water, mix with washing up liquid, wipe all connections with your finger and watch for soap bubbles

AC
 
Oh, I see what you mean now!

I've set the solenoid up like in your pic and all the glass connections are done with hot water. Just to do the gas.. and drop checker and check connections
 
Here is a question for you AC

What about after the Co2 has been switched off, would it be wise to turn on an air stoned to help disperse the Co2 left in the tank ?
 

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